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Do you know if the law prevents you from modifying the car to disable these devices? Caveat to anyone considering this: Modifying could be used against you in a

Do you know if the law prevents you from modifying the car to disable these devices? Caveat to anyone considering this: Modifying could be used against you in a liability case. Additionally if your insurance contract has some stipulation about not removing these safety "features" and they find out, I would think you could be dropped.

martin8412 2mo ago
All cars in the EU has to pass periodic inspections. All safety equipment must be in working order to pass.
- ghastmaster 2mo ago
  Therefore, to skirt the law, one would have to be able to reverse the modifications.
petre 2mo ago
Does soaking the beeper with water trigger a modification clause? Annoying alarms trigger driver distresss which has equally negative effect on attention while driving. We had a replacement Yaris that had the speed alarms but one could lower the volume to the point where it didn't matter much. Much better design than the older Toyotas which would beep incessantly and louder if you didn't put belts on, back seats included.
- letitbeirie 2mo ago
  > back seats included I ended up buying loose seat belt buckles for my wife's car from a pull and pay to stop this. Evidently nobody at Toyota has a dog.
  - petre 2mo ago
    We carry the dog in a crate fastened with straps. This is the safest way to transport a dog in a car. The seatbelt was not practical to fasten the crate. The crate sits in the trunk of our hatchback crossover with the seat in front of it collapsed, so I can visually keep it in check and the dog gets AC. There are also dog "seatbelts" if you carry it on the back seat. It's like a leash with a seatbelt buckle at the end.
- johen8 2mo ago
  > if you didn't put belts on, back seats included. I don't drive/don't have a car, but it drives me mad when I take an Uber, I go into the back seat and put my backpack beside me and the car keeps beeping because of it (I obviously put my seatbelt on). For some time I didn't understand what was that beeping until a driver told me, now when I hear it I know to put the seatbelt in my backpack seat, and remove it when I get off the car.
kazinator 2mo ago
The mods to disable the thing have to be cleanly reversible. What if you disconnect the speakers? Do they have a sensor for that? If so, replace them by an 8 ohm impedance. An alternative amplifier can be connected to the speakers then. Or just use portable bluetooth speakers. If driving alone, for music, I would then listen on headphones. That's illegal in many places but at that point, having had to disconnect the speakers, I'd be acting out of spite.

martin8412 2mo ago

All cars in the EU has to pass periodic inspections. All safety equipment must be in working order to pass.

ghastmaster 2mo ago
Therefore, to skirt the law, one would have to be able to reverse the modifications.

petre 2mo ago

Does soaking the beeper with water trigger a modification clause? Annoying alarms trigger driver distresss which has equally negative effect on attention while driving. We had a replacement Yaris that had the speed alarms but one could lower the volume to the point where it didn't matter much. Much better design than the older Toyotas which would beep incessantly and louder if you didn't put belts on, back seats included.

letitbeirie 2mo ago
> back seats included I ended up buying loose seat belt buckles for my wife's car from a pull and pay to stop this. Evidently nobody at Toyota has a dog.
- petre 2mo ago
  We carry the dog in a crate fastened with straps. This is the safest way to transport a dog in a car. The seatbelt was not practical to fasten the crate. The crate sits in the trunk of our hatchback crossover with the seat in front of it collapsed, so I can visually keep it in check and the dog gets AC. There are also dog "seatbelts" if you carry it on the back seat. It's like a leash with a seatbelt buckle at the end.
johen8 2mo ago
> if you didn't put belts on, back seats included. I don't drive/don't have a car, but it drives me mad when I take an Uber, I go into the back seat and put my backpack beside me and the car keeps beeping because of it (I obviously put my seatbelt on). For some time I didn't understand what was that beeping until a driver told me, now when I hear it I know to put the seatbelt in my backpack seat, and remove it when I get off the car.

kazinator 2mo ago

The mods to disable the thing have to be cleanly reversible. What if you disconnect the speakers? Do they have a sensor for that? If so, replace them by an 8 ohm impedance. An alternative amplifier can be connected to the speakers then. Or just use portable bluetooth speakers. If driving alone, for music, I would then listen on headphones. That's illegal in many places but at that point, having had to disconnect the speakers, I'd be acting out of spite.