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> If you get caught in China, Vietnam, or Singapore the penalties for white collar criminals is zero tolerance. LOL. Bribery is basically required in China for

by Aunche 2mo ago

> If you get caught in China, Vietnam, or Singapore the penalties for white collar criminals is zero tolerance. LOL. Bribery is basically required in China for anyone with a medium sized business. Otherwise, you'll be indefinitely blocked by a bureaucrat who has no incentive to help you. Departments in municipal governments are often underfunded and bribery makes up for a significant portion of their effective payroll.

ClumsyPilot 2mo ago
Facilitation payment are usually considered the less egregious kinds of bribery, some may be considered acceptable in a culture, and there can be a whole etiquette to it. In some countries, doctors or surgeons are severely underpaid and it would be customary for a well off citizen to bring them a gift or a cash summ before an important surgery. That’s quite different from Kickbacks (rampant in UK leaseholds by the way), etc.
- Aunche 2mo ago
  Just because it's considered acceptable doesn't mean that you can't get in trouble for it down the line if you get the wrong people upset. "Acceptable" bribery goes far beyond giving a gift to your underpaid doctor. What I meant by funding payroll is that it's pretty common to basically "donate" to a hospital and then afterwards your kid magically has a job there. What those who fetishize China's punishment of billionaires need to understand that what allows for this punishment is also what allows for even more blatant corruption. Rule of law is just something that doesn't exist. You may think that the US no longer has rule of law under Trump, and while that's true to a certain extent, for the most part people act with a rule of law mindset because that's what they are familiar with.
  - ClumsyPilot 2mo ago
    I am just saying that it would be good if we could have more precise discussion about corruption because different types of it are not equal, and we have more precise terminology.

by Aunche 2mo ago

ClumsyPilot 2mo ago

Facilitation payment are usually considered the less egregious kinds of bribery, some may be considered acceptable in a culture, and there can be a whole etiquette to it. In some countries, doctors or surgeons are severely underpaid and it would be customary for a well off citizen to bring them a gift or a cash summ before an important surgery. That’s quite different from Kickbacks (rampant in UK leaseholds by the way), etc.

Aunche 2mo ago
Just because it's considered acceptable doesn't mean that you can't get in trouble for it down the line if you get the wrong people upset. "Acceptable" bribery goes far beyond giving a gift to your underpaid doctor. What I meant by funding payroll is that it's pretty common to basically "donate" to a hospital and then afterwards your kid magically has a job there. What those who fetishize China's punishment of billionaires need to understand that what allows for this punishment is also what allows for even more blatant corruption. Rule of law is just something that doesn't exist. You may think that the US no longer has rule of law under Trump, and while that's true to a certain extent, for the most part people act with a rule of law mindset because that's what they are familiar with.
- ClumsyPilot 2mo ago
  I am just saying that it would be good if we could have more precise discussion about corruption because different types of it are not equal, and we have more precise terminology.