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The AI-Maxing copy on the website kind of gave it away. Doesn't mean is not a great app though!

by thefourthchime 2mo ago

amelius 2mo ago
Can't someone vibe-code a MacOS that runs on Linux?
- mmmlinux 2mo ago
  Have at it.
throwitaway222 2mo ago
I think we're past the point where agentic coding is a given now.
- danpalmer 2mo ago
  Coding yes, copywriting, design, identity, no. Using AI doesn't mean giving up on quality, unless you don't care about quality. Most of these issues come from folks who don't really care about quality and ship the first slop that comes out.
  - RossBencina 2mo ago
    > Most of these issues come from folks who don't really care about quality and ship the first slop that comes out. Brings to mind The Show's "ugly MySpace" episode: https://archive.org/details/zefrank-theshow-083 https://archive.org/details/zefrank-theshow-083 It would be nice if everyone prioritised, and was capable of, shipping polished products. But more likely the apps you're bemoaning come from folks who are not product designers. Even prior to genAI there were plenty of developers (myself included) who had patchy competence in some subset of {copywriting, documentation information architecture, visual design, identity, UI/UX, ...}. I know good developers for whom UI coherence is "not their problem," although they know well enough that it needs to be someone's problem. "Programmer art" is also a thing. I would argue that the non-coding parts of many open-source projects are what lets them down, and when it is good it is usually documentation that impresses me the most. But I think Ze Frank's view might be that, given the sudden drop in barriers to entry, it is amazing that everyone is having a go and trying to express themselves.
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  - throwitaway222 2mo ago
    Agreed
  - Klonoar 2mo ago
    > Using AI doesn't mean giving up on quality Look, I'm as anti-AI as the next guy but their homepage is good. They didn't compromise on quality. Call a spade a spade.
    - tomgp 2mo ago
      I think the issue is that the prose on the homepage gives off AI marketing BS "Everything you'd expect. Nothing you don't." "Native down to the pixels" etc. in an age where the web is stuffed full of low value llm generated content this is a strong negative signal for me (and i suspect others). No reflection on the app itself which I've yet to try but seems like a great idea
      - danpalmer 2mo ago
        > Everything you'd expect. Nothing you don't Yeah this is it. I don't know what you think I expect? I'm reading your marketing copy, it's your job to market it. There are few brands in the world that can get away with forcing the buyer to do their own marketing. In this context it's grossly unearned confidence, the type you only get from idiots and LLMs.
satvikpendem 2mo ago
The description of this submission that literally says "Mostly vibe-coded" didn't give it away?
- Hamuko 2mo ago
  You don't see the submission description when you open the link from the front page.

The AI-Maxing copy on the website kind of gave it away. Doesn't mean is not a great app though!

amelius 2mo ago

Can't someone vibe-code a MacOS that runs on Linux?

mmmlinux 2mo ago
Have at it.

throwitaway222 2mo ago

I think we're past the point where agentic coding is a given now.

danpalmer 2mo ago
Coding yes, copywriting, design, identity, no. Using AI doesn't mean giving up on quality, unless you don't care about quality. Most of these issues come from folks who don't really care about quality and ship the first slop that comes out.
- RossBencina 2mo ago
  > Most of these issues come from folks who don't really care about quality and ship the first slop that comes out. Brings to mind The Show's "ugly MySpace" episode: https://archive.org/details/zefrank-theshow-083 https://archive.org/details/zefrank-theshow-083 It would be nice if everyone prioritised, and was capable of, shipping polished products. But more likely the apps you're bemoaning come from folks who are not product designers. Even prior to genAI there were plenty of developers (myself included) who had patchy competence in some subset of {copywriting, documentation information architecture, visual design, identity, UI/UX, ...}. I know good developers for whom UI coherence is "not their problem," although they know well enough that it needs to be someone's problem. "Programmer art" is also a thing. I would argue that the non-coding parts of many open-source projects are what lets them down, and when it is good it is usually documentation that impresses me the most. But I think Ze Frank's view might be that, given the sudden drop in barriers to entry, it is amazing that everyone is having a go and trying to express themselves.
- deleted 2mo ago
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- throwitaway222 2mo ago
  Agreed
- Klonoar 2mo ago
  > Using AI doesn't mean giving up on quality Look, I'm as anti-AI as the next guy but their homepage is good. They didn't compromise on quality. Call a spade a spade.
  - tomgp 2mo ago
    I think the issue is that the prose on the homepage gives off AI marketing BS "Everything you'd expect. Nothing you don't." "Native down to the pixels" etc. in an age where the web is stuffed full of low value llm generated content this is a strong negative signal for me (and i suspect others). No reflection on the app itself which I've yet to try but seems like a great idea
    - danpalmer 2mo ago
      > Everything you'd expect. Nothing you don't Yeah this is it. I don't know what you think I expect? I'm reading your marketing copy, it's your job to market it. There are few brands in the world that can get away with forcing the buyer to do their own marketing. In this context it's grossly unearned confidence, the type you only get from idiots and LLMs.

satvikpendem 2mo ago

The description of this submission that literally says "Mostly vibe-coded" didn't give it away?

Hamuko 2mo ago
You don't see the submission description when you open the link from the front page.