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The EU is quickly becoming the surveillance capital of the world.

by nickslaughter02 2mo ago

gf000 2mo ago
For not letting people snooze off behind the wheel?
- aliasxneo 2mo ago
  Death by a thousand cuts. It never stops at just one thing.
  - gf000 2mo ago
    Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason. No, they even mandate fastening the seatbelts! Oh my, this tyranny!
  - deleted 2mo ago
    [deleted]
  - wpollock 2mo ago
    Car: You look tired. There's a motel in 3 miles. Car: You appear to be suffering from acne. Try Zit-away, available at the convenience store in 2.4 kilometers. Car: Facial recognition failed. Car is now disabled. Contact your car dealer to reenable vehicle.
    - gf000 2mo ago
      The last one sounds eerily similar to what a for-profit company would do in case of a terminated subscription, that would be perfectly fine in the US, but would get purged by fire in the EU by proper laws that meant to protect the public. I guess it's just hard to imagine that the government may work FOR the people?
    - rapnie 2mo ago
      Car: You are politically active for the wrong party. Doors locked. Battery will now catch fire.
    - aliasxneo 2mo ago
      That third one sounds like it would be fun trying to explain to your boss.
- tjwebbnorfolk 2mo ago
  It's so incredible the difference in mindset across the Atlantic. In the US, it is MY job and no one else's to make sure I don't fall asleep driving my own car. In the same way it's my job to make sure I don't leave my stove on and burn down the apartment building. Should we also install cameras on every stove in every apartment? If the US government tried to force-install cameras into our cars to watch us, there'd be a revolution.
  - gf000 2mo ago
    I'm fairly sure you have cops, driving licenses, traffic stops, DUI etc. So no. It's not your job alone to "drive safely", you are literally controlling tons of mass moving at high speeds that can trivially (and very frequently) kill innocent bystanders that did NOT ask to be hit by a car, or get into an accident. Why is your "freedom" above their basic safety? If anything, the incredible thing is this "me-only" mindset that many have.
  - tzs 2mo ago
    The US passed a law in 2021 to require new cars to monitor driver alertness. The implementing regulations are being finished and it could apply to new cars as soon as 2027.
    - tjwebbnorfolk 2mo ago
      can you point to this law please? I can find news articles referencing that something may or may not happen but I can't find that this actually went into practice
      - tzs 2mo ago
        The law in question is the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act which was enacted in 2021 [1]. Section 24209 requires regulators to research driver monitoring systems to deal with driver distraction, disengagement, automation complacency, and misuse of driver automation systems, and then to either start the rule making to implement such monitoring or report to Congress explaining why it cannot be done. Section 24220 might also be relevant. That section is dealing with drunk and impaired driving, and part of that will be monitoring driver performance. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684...
- spaqin 2mo ago
  if I'm that tired I don't think a beep mixed with road noise and radio would wake me up anyway
  - gf000 2mo ago
    There are plenty of cars with similar features already. If anything, they make you aware that you are tired, so that you may choose to have a rest at the next stop or something.
  - cbg0 2mo ago
    Perfect is the enemy of good. If it prevents some people from falling a sleep and causing an accident that's excellent.
izacus 2mo ago
Do you... not understand what the ADAS system does and how it works? You have a camera aimed at your face when typing this nonsense post.
- trinix912 2mo ago
  That camera isn’t on all the time scanning your face. God knows what sort of sketchy implementations car companies will come up with.
- ang_cire 2mo ago
  It's funny how assumptions betray us. Not everyone is on their phone, or a laptop. On a site for tech enthusiasts, there are a shocking amount of folks with very "tech is what you get at the Apple Store" mindsets about.
  - izacus 2mo ago
    On a site of tech enthusiasts I'd expect an intelligence level of understanding the difference between an embedded ADAS camera and a surveillance system. So how about you check you assumptions first? :)
    - ang_cire 2mo ago
      Any system used to surveil is a surveillance system, QED. There's no minimum fidelity required, you could use potentially any sensor to surveil. It's a question of use.
  - 1659447091 2mo ago
    > Not everyone is on their phone, or a laptop. Nor does everyone leave front-facing cameras (or any device camera) uncovered.
antondd 2mo ago
[flagged]
Sabinus 2mo ago
Didn't Russia ban and block all messenging apps that aren't the backdoored government-approved Max messenger? EU has a while to go to become the surveillance capital I think.

The EU is quickly becoming the surveillance capital of the world.

gf000 2mo ago

For not letting people snooze off behind the wheel?

aliasxneo 2mo ago
Death by a thousand cuts. It never stops at just one thing.
- gf000 2mo ago
  Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason. No, they even mandate fastening the seatbelts! Oh my, this tyranny!
- deleted 2mo ago
  [deleted]
- wpollock 2mo ago
  Car: You look tired. There's a motel in 3 miles. Car: You appear to be suffering from acne. Try Zit-away, available at the convenience store in 2.4 kilometers. Car: Facial recognition failed. Car is now disabled. Contact your car dealer to reenable vehicle.
  - gf000 2mo ago
    The last one sounds eerily similar to what a for-profit company would do in case of a terminated subscription, that would be perfectly fine in the US, but would get purged by fire in the EU by proper laws that meant to protect the public. I guess it's just hard to imagine that the government may work FOR the people?
  - rapnie 2mo ago
    Car: You are politically active for the wrong party. Doors locked. Battery will now catch fire.
  - aliasxneo 2mo ago
    That third one sounds like it would be fun trying to explain to your boss.
tjwebbnorfolk 2mo ago
It's so incredible the difference in mindset across the Atlantic. In the US, it is MY job and no one else's to make sure I don't fall asleep driving my own car. In the same way it's my job to make sure I don't leave my stove on and burn down the apartment building. Should we also install cameras on every stove in every apartment? If the US government tried to force-install cameras into our cars to watch us, there'd be a revolution.
- gf000 2mo ago
  I'm fairly sure you have cops, driving licenses, traffic stops, DUI etc. So no. It's not your job alone to "drive safely", you are literally controlling tons of mass moving at high speeds that can trivially (and very frequently) kill innocent bystanders that did NOT ask to be hit by a car, or get into an accident. Why is your "freedom" above their basic safety? If anything, the incredible thing is this "me-only" mindset that many have.
- tzs 2mo ago
  The US passed a law in 2021 to require new cars to monitor driver alertness. The implementing regulations are being finished and it could apply to new cars as soon as 2027.
  - tjwebbnorfolk 2mo ago
    can you point to this law please? I can find news articles referencing that something may or may not happen but I can't find that this actually went into practice
    - tzs 2mo ago
      The law in question is the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act which was enacted in 2021 [1]. Section 24209 requires regulators to research driver monitoring systems to deal with driver distraction, disengagement, automation complacency, and misuse of driver automation systems, and then to either start the rule making to implement such monitoring or report to Congress explaining why it cannot be done. Section 24220 might also be relevant. That section is dealing with drunk and impaired driving, and part of that will be monitoring driver performance. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684...
spaqin 2mo ago
if I'm that tired I don't think a beep mixed with road noise and radio would wake me up anyway
- gf000 2mo ago
  There are plenty of cars with similar features already. If anything, they make you aware that you are tired, so that you may choose to have a rest at the next stop or something.
- cbg0 2mo ago
  Perfect is the enemy of good. If it prevents some people from falling a sleep and causing an accident that's excellent.

izacus 2mo ago

Do you... not understand what the ADAS system does and how it works? You have a camera aimed at your face when typing this nonsense post.

trinix912 2mo ago
That camera isn’t on all the time scanning your face. God knows what sort of sketchy implementations car companies will come up with.
ang_cire 2mo ago
It's funny how assumptions betray us. Not everyone is on their phone, or a laptop. On a site for tech enthusiasts, there are a shocking amount of folks with very "tech is what you get at the Apple Store" mindsets about.
- izacus 2mo ago
  On a site of tech enthusiasts I'd expect an intelligence level of understanding the difference between an embedded ADAS camera and a surveillance system. So how about you check you assumptions first? :)
  - ang_cire 2mo ago
    Any system used to surveil is a surveillance system, QED. There's no minimum fidelity required, you could use potentially any sensor to surveil. It's a question of use.
- 1659447091 2mo ago
  > Not everyone is on their phone, or a laptop. Nor does everyone leave front-facing cameras (or any device camera) uncovered.

antondd 2mo ago

[flagged]

Sabinus 2mo ago

Didn't Russia ban and block all messenging apps that aren't the backdoored government-approved Max messenger? EU has a while to go to become the surveillance capital I think.