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Kicked dairy about a decade ago. I'm grateful for oat milk. Also, one of the very, very many examples of strong, necessary, and useful collaboration between Ca

Kicked dairy about a decade ago. I'm grateful for oat milk. Also, one of the very, very many examples of strong, necessary, and useful collaboration between Canada and the United States. Happy Fourth of July, neighbours down south. I'm eager to be buds again.

hn_throwaway_99 3mo ago
I am a bit surprised that oat milk is as popular as it is, given that, nutritionally, it's a very poor substitute for dairy as it's mostly just more sugar and carbs with very little protein. In terms of non-dairy milk, soy milk is basically the only one that gets close to the nutritional value of dairy (and a lot of the fear mongering about endocrine effects of soy are just wrong). Even almond milk usually only has a teeny amount of actual almonds in it, as it's primarily just added water and sugar.
- antonvs 3mo ago
  I drank cow’s milk for taste, not for health or nutritional reasons. It’s the same for oat milk.
- wizzwizz4 3mo ago
  > and a lot of the fear mongering about endocrine effects of soy are just wrong Farmed cow's milk contains enough oestrogens, progestogens, etc. that academics have argued (e.g. in the 00s) over the extent to which cow milk consumption affects human health. The macho crowd seem to think that it's implicitly obvious that the juice of a bean is more feminising than the mammary secretions of calved female mammals, from a lineage selectively bred to have massive udders. I don't understand this, but I do find it very funny. (From a distance. I like having teeth.) That said, if there were a significant and obvious effect on humans from dairy (or substitutes), academics probably wouldn't have argued about it for so long.
  - antonvs 3mo ago
    > The macho crowd seem to think that it's implicitly obvious that the juice of a bean is more feminising I’m not sure that’s true. But they’ve heard that soy milk has phytoestrogens in it, and that Asians tend to be smaller than Americans. From there it’s just math: 1+1 = 11
  - hammock 3mo ago
    The problem is not that milk is a mammary secretion. After all, boys and girls both drink mother’s milk! The problem is dairy practices that keep cows pregnant for 9 months out of the year, every year, and milk them for 10-11 months out of the year, every year. !! When you operate a dairy on a more natural rhythm you don’t get the elevated pregnancy hormones in the milk. This is one of the reasons why goat milk is healthier, because they don’t do the same to goats. Source: I’m a farmer
- IrishTechie 3mo ago
  I drink milk because a) I prefer flat whites to espressos and b) to make my cornflakes wet. In both cases I prefer oat milk and in neither cases do I care about nutrition. I’m guessing that’s the reason.
  - hn_throwaway_99 3mo ago
    Makes sense. For me it was less about the health aspects of nutrition than the fact that I just feel a lot less sated when I drink protein-devoid plant milks. Corn flakes with oat milk is basically a big bowl of sugar with a little bit of oil and some vitamins sprayed on - it's not like it's a ton better with cow's milk but I'm not craving a "second breakfast" an hour later like I do if I have a breakfast that's primarily only carbs.
    - culi 3mo ago
      Soy milk actually has as much protein as dairy and less sugar. It has even more protein if you get the traditional kind. You can often find soymilk with a single ingredient at an Asian grocery store.
- allthetime 3mo ago
  Soy milk is wildly superior to oat milk - I say as a vegan attempting to hit my nutrition targets. Oat milk is essentially flavoured water
  - PowerElectronix 3mo ago
    I'd even say it's superior to cow milk altogether.
    - VorpalWay 3mo ago
      Not if it causes contact allergies with your mouth, as soy milk does for me. Same with coconut milk. I have to stick to oat, almond or animal milk. (Goat milk tastes pretty good too by the way.) And non-homogenized full fat milk is delicious.
xeromal 3mo ago
I'm not big into vegetarian substitutes but oatmilk is legitimately delicious. It's good for lattes, cereal, whatever. I guess maybe not good for baking?
- SketchySeaBeast 3mo ago
  Yup. I don't normally eat vegan but, if I'm drinking a latte, it's gonna be oatmilk.
- bardak 3mo ago
  The thing that gets me is that the price of oat milk is so completely divorced from what it cost to produce. It's absolutely wild that oat milk, made with one of the cheapest bulk grains, is as expensive as almond milk, made with an expensive nut.
  - antonvs 3mo ago
    You can easily make it yourself.
  - culi 3mo ago
    Almondmilk is mostly water and thickeners. A typical 32-oz carton uses around 12 almonds. You can tell by the protein content of all of these altmilks how cheap they actually are to make. The only exception is soymilk which does actually have a lot of protein and also has a really long tradition. People have been making soymilk for over 2,000 years. American grocery store soymilk is quite different but you can actually go to an Asian grocery store and still find soymilk that has a single ingredient.
    - aziaziazi 3mo ago
      > grocery store soymilk is quite different Here in Europe we can fin the single ingredients soy milk if you look down the shelf: the cheapest brand and groceries have no additives while the fanciest ones are full of thickeners and various sugars. I recommend the store’ brand from Carrefour, Lidl and Leclerc.
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hn_throwaway_99 3mo ago

I am a bit surprised that oat milk is as popular as it is, given that, nutritionally, it's a very poor substitute for dairy as it's mostly just more sugar and carbs with very little protein. In terms of non-dairy milk, soy milk is basically the only one that gets close to the nutritional value of dairy (and a lot of the fear mongering about endocrine effects of soy are just wrong). Even almond milk usually only has a teeny amount of actual almonds in it, as it's primarily just added water and sugar.

antonvs 3mo ago
I drank cow’s milk for taste, not for health or nutritional reasons. It’s the same for oat milk.
wizzwizz4 3mo ago
> and a lot of the fear mongering about endocrine effects of soy are just wrong Farmed cow's milk contains enough oestrogens, progestogens, etc. that academics have argued (e.g. in the 00s) over the extent to which cow milk consumption affects human health. The macho crowd seem to think that it's implicitly obvious that the juice of a bean is more feminising than the mammary secretions of calved female mammals, from a lineage selectively bred to have massive udders. I don't understand this, but I do find it very funny. (From a distance. I like having teeth.) That said, if there were a significant and obvious effect on humans from dairy (or substitutes), academics probably wouldn't have argued about it for so long.
- antonvs 3mo ago
  > The macho crowd seem to think that it's implicitly obvious that the juice of a bean is more feminising I’m not sure that’s true. But they’ve heard that soy milk has phytoestrogens in it, and that Asians tend to be smaller than Americans. From there it’s just math: 1+1 = 11
- hammock 3mo ago
  The problem is not that milk is a mammary secretion. After all, boys and girls both drink mother’s milk! The problem is dairy practices that keep cows pregnant for 9 months out of the year, every year, and milk them for 10-11 months out of the year, every year. !! When you operate a dairy on a more natural rhythm you don’t get the elevated pregnancy hormones in the milk. This is one of the reasons why goat milk is healthier, because they don’t do the same to goats. Source: I’m a farmer
IrishTechie 3mo ago
I drink milk because a) I prefer flat whites to espressos and b) to make my cornflakes wet. In both cases I prefer oat milk and in neither cases do I care about nutrition. I’m guessing that’s the reason.
- hn_throwaway_99 3mo ago
  Makes sense. For me it was less about the health aspects of nutrition than the fact that I just feel a lot less sated when I drink protein-devoid plant milks. Corn flakes with oat milk is basically a big bowl of sugar with a little bit of oil and some vitamins sprayed on - it's not like it's a ton better with cow's milk but I'm not craving a "second breakfast" an hour later like I do if I have a breakfast that's primarily only carbs.
  - culi 3mo ago
    Soy milk actually has as much protein as dairy and less sugar. It has even more protein if you get the traditional kind. You can often find soymilk with a single ingredient at an Asian grocery store.
allthetime 3mo ago
Soy milk is wildly superior to oat milk - I say as a vegan attempting to hit my nutrition targets. Oat milk is essentially flavoured water
- PowerElectronix 3mo ago
  I'd even say it's superior to cow milk altogether.
  - VorpalWay 3mo ago
    Not if it causes contact allergies with your mouth, as soy milk does for me. Same with coconut milk. I have to stick to oat, almond or animal milk. (Goat milk tastes pretty good too by the way.) And non-homogenized full fat milk is delicious.

xeromal 3mo ago

I'm not big into vegetarian substitutes but oatmilk is legitimately delicious. It's good for lattes, cereal, whatever. I guess maybe not good for baking?

SketchySeaBeast 3mo ago
Yup. I don't normally eat vegan but, if I'm drinking a latte, it's gonna be oatmilk.
bardak 3mo ago
The thing that gets me is that the price of oat milk is so completely divorced from what it cost to produce. It's absolutely wild that oat milk, made with one of the cheapest bulk grains, is as expensive as almond milk, made with an expensive nut.
- antonvs 3mo ago
  You can easily make it yourself.
- culi 3mo ago
  Almondmilk is mostly water and thickeners. A typical 32-oz carton uses around 12 almonds. You can tell by the protein content of all of these altmilks how cheap they actually are to make. The only exception is soymilk which does actually have a lot of protein and also has a really long tradition. People have been making soymilk for over 2,000 years. American grocery store soymilk is quite different but you can actually go to an Asian grocery store and still find soymilk that has a single ingredient.
  - aziaziazi 3mo ago
    > grocery store soymilk is quite different Here in Europe we can fin the single ingredients soy milk if you look down the shelf: the cheapest brand and groceries have no additives while the fanciest ones are full of thickeners and various sugars. I recommend the store’ brand from Carrefour, Lidl and Leclerc.

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