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so.. hand over your data to china to spite orange man. yes excellent move.

by ascotan 3mo ago

ifwinterco 3mo ago
It’s not spite it’s just logical - US/Israel are a known bad actor. China is also probably bad, but currently there’s no evidence they’re as bad as US/Israel
- GuestFAUniverse 3mo ago
  China is supplying Russia, which is attacking an European country. Thus, from my POV that sentiment is BS. China is an adversary in a panda costume.
  - ifwinterco 3mo ago
    And Israel is attacking various countries - okay not in quite in Europe, but pretty close to the southeastern EU member states. So you have one country which is in a very loose alliance with a country that's attacking a country around the periphery of the EU, and another country that's joined at the hip with a country that's attacking another country around the periphery of the EU, just slightly further away. It's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the US
    - pvaldes 3mo ago
      Don't be fooled. Israel is also attacking countries in Europe They did when being caught messing with elections in Scotland, Europe, for example. Whom Europeans vote are none of the Israel business. And there is a reasonable suspicion that they were sending sex traps for decades to blackmail European elites, left and right. This is not how a real friend behave.
      - red-iron-pine 3mo ago
        Israel has its back to the wall and needs every advantage, since literally everyone else around them hates them. they have the US congress and a few cats-paws in Europe, and if that runs out, they die
        danudey 3mo ago
        The reason everyone hates them is that they've been committing genocide for decades and have refused any sort of peace process. All the countries around them have offered to guarantee Israel's security in exchange for just letting the Palestians live their lives free of oppression but Israel is not willing to give up its land grab because the narrative that 'everyone is trying to destroy us' is what keeps the right wing in power and allows the population to look the other way. Even the US was concerned recently that Israel was planning not just to sabotage the peace talks with Iran but to assassinate the Iranian representatives: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/429561 https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/429561 The only reason Israel has its back to the wall is that its 'never again' attitude has extended to any concept of solving problems that doesn't involve military force, and since they've had the backing of the US that means they've been able to get away with anything they wanted so far. It's the asshole little brother whose big brother will beat you up if he ever runs the risk of facing the consequences of his actions. If Israel had any desire to live in peace with their neighbors then maybe they would, but either they don't want peace except through victory, they don't want peace if it means giving up the ability to continue their ethnic cleansing of Palestine to build more settlements, or they want peace but they don't believe that anyone else wants it (despite everyone else trying to work towards it except them). If they hadn't been so focused on aggression, genocide, and apartheid for the past 70 years maybe this all could have been solved, but the narrative that they're the only bastion of democracy and freedom in West Asia/North Africa and that's why everyone wants to destroy them doesn't hold up to the barest of scrutiny.
  - wafflemaker 3mo ago
    China is also supplying Ukraine and the countries that supply Ukraine. Maybe you meant North Korea?
  - someonebaggy 3mo ago
    Germany is also supplying Russia, should Spain exit the mostly-Germany-controlled EU?
    - solumunus 3mo ago
      What?
      - inigyou 3mo ago
        Think they're referring to oil and gas sales
      - raven12345 3mo ago
        [dead]
  - tancop 3mo ago
    china has no political agenda outside of their country (that includes taiwan from their pov). all they care about is staying in power at home and keeping up the economy. they only sell to russia because its a good way to make money. belt and road, deals with african dictators, selling cars and phones to europe, temu and alibaba, open source llms, all of that is for higher tax revenue. a lot of chinese companies are part state owned so thats another way it directly benefits the government. even the illegal police stations only exist to make sure overseas chinese communities dont support opposition movements back home. is it a good thing? definitely not, but its also not a threat to the host country as a whole. the spying they do is either economic espionage thats good for the world (trade secrets should not exist, thats what patents are for) or good old state on state action like everybody else is doing. i bet russia and america each have more spies in europe than china.
    - barrenko 3mo ago
      There is no reason for chinese elite overproduction other than to wage war by other means. They performed acts such as naval blockade of Australia as a show of force when such a thing was deemed necessary. Europe is bled dry and will cease to exist rather soon if nothing chnages.
  - delfinom 3mo ago
    China is allowing their companies to trade with Russia. That's all. China has not blocked trade with Ukraine either. China also stands to benefit long term with a Russia that continues fighting and weakening itself.
- JohnTHaller 3mo ago
  In addition to the more well-known stuff, China DDoSed Github because they were mad that two projects let Chinese citizens read non-propaganda news in 2015.
- red-iron-pine 3mo ago
  except for all of the hacking and industrial espionage, e.g. Salt Typhoon let's be clear: MAGA is doing everything they can per Dugan-esque playbooks on how to destroy US-EU relations, but don't pretend for a second that China is some magical bastion of human rights or fair, competitive practices.

so.. hand over your data to china to spite orange man. yes excellent move.

by ascotan 3mo ago

so.. hand over your data to china to spite orange man. yes excellent move.

It’s not spite it’s just logical - US/Israel are a known bad actor. China is also probably bad, but currently there’s no evidence they’re as bad as US/Israel

GuestFAUniverse 3mo ago
China is supplying Russia, which is attacking an European country. Thus, from my POV that sentiment is BS. China is an adversary in a panda costume.
- ifwinterco 3mo ago
  And Israel is attacking various countries - okay not in quite in Europe, but pretty close to the southeastern EU member states. So you have one country which is in a very loose alliance with a country that's attacking a country around the periphery of the EU, and another country that's joined at the hip with a country that's attacking another country around the periphery of the EU, just slightly further away. It's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the US
  - pvaldes 3mo ago
    Don't be fooled. Israel is also attacking countries in Europe They did when being caught messing with elections in Scotland, Europe, for example. Whom Europeans vote are none of the Israel business. And there is a reasonable suspicion that they were sending sex traps for decades to blackmail European elites, left and right. This is not how a real friend behave.
    - red-iron-pine 3mo ago
      Israel has its back to the wall and needs every advantage, since literally everyone else around them hates them. they have the US congress and a few cats-paws in Europe, and if that runs out, they die
      - danudey 3mo ago
        The reason everyone hates them is that they've been committing genocide for decades and have refused any sort of peace process. All the countries around them have offered to guarantee Israel's security in exchange for just letting the Palestians live their lives free of oppression but Israel is not willing to give up its land grab because the narrative that 'everyone is trying to destroy us' is what keeps the right wing in power and allows the population to look the other way. Even the US was concerned recently that Israel was planning not just to sabotage the peace talks with Iran but to assassinate the Iranian representatives: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/429561 https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/429561 The only reason Israel has its back to the wall is that its 'never again' attitude has extended to any concept of solving problems that doesn't involve military force, and since they've had the backing of the US that means they've been able to get away with anything they wanted so far. It's the asshole little brother whose big brother will beat you up if he ever runs the risk of facing the consequences of his actions. If Israel had any desire to live in peace with their neighbors then maybe they would, but either they don't want peace except through victory, they don't want peace if it means giving up the ability to continue their ethnic cleansing of Palestine to build more settlements, or they want peace but they don't believe that anyone else wants it (despite everyone else trying to work towards it except them). If they hadn't been so focused on aggression, genocide, and apartheid for the past 70 years maybe this all could have been solved, but the narrative that they're the only bastion of democracy and freedom in West Asia/North Africa and that's why everyone wants to destroy them doesn't hold up to the barest of scrutiny.
- wafflemaker 3mo ago
  China is also supplying Ukraine and the countries that supply Ukraine. Maybe you meant North Korea?
- someonebaggy 3mo ago
  Germany is also supplying Russia, should Spain exit the mostly-Germany-controlled EU?
  - solumunus 3mo ago
    What?
    - inigyou 3mo ago
      Think they're referring to oil and gas sales
    - raven12345 3mo ago
      [dead]
- tancop 3mo ago
  china has no political agenda outside of their country (that includes taiwan from their pov). all they care about is staying in power at home and keeping up the economy. they only sell to russia because its a good way to make money. belt and road, deals with african dictators, selling cars and phones to europe, temu and alibaba, open source llms, all of that is for higher tax revenue. a lot of chinese companies are part state owned so thats another way it directly benefits the government. even the illegal police stations only exist to make sure overseas chinese communities dont support opposition movements back home. is it a good thing? definitely not, but its also not a threat to the host country as a whole. the spying they do is either economic espionage thats good for the world (trade secrets should not exist, thats what patents are for) or good old state on state action like everybody else is doing. i bet russia and america each have more spies in europe than china.
  - barrenko 3mo ago
    There is no reason for chinese elite overproduction other than to wage war by other means. They performed acts such as naval blockade of Australia as a show of force when such a thing was deemed necessary. Europe is bled dry and will cease to exist rather soon if nothing chnages.
- delfinom 3mo ago
  China is allowing their companies to trade with Russia. That's all. China has not blocked trade with Ukraine either. China also stands to benefit long term with a Russia that continues fighting and weakening itself.
JohnTHaller 3mo ago
In addition to the more well-known stuff, China DDoSed Github because they were mad that two projects let Chinese citizens read non-propaganda news in 2015.
red-iron-pine 3mo ago
except for all of the hacking and industrial espionage, e.g. Salt Typhoon let's be clear: MAGA is doing everything they can per Dugan-esque playbooks on how to destroy US-EU relations, but don't pretend for a second that China is some magical bastion of human rights or fair, competitive practices.