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Germany has had an immense amount of immigration over the past couple decades.

by indoordin0saur 3mo ago

croes 3mo ago
Immigrants but not immigration because there aren’t enough resources to help all the people to integrate.
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- wickedwiesel 3mo ago
  Which is a political choice - not necessarily a resource problem. Germany, if any, would have the resources to help with integration but for decades most people and politicians were living in denial that people from other countries that came to Germany actually wanted to stay and _live_ there or were living in a world were state debt was seen as the devil's spawn.
  - dgellow 3mo ago
    > were living in a world were state debt was seen as the devil's spawn. You’re not kidding, it’s literally set in the German constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_balanced_budget_amendment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_balanced_budget_amendme...
    - wickedwiesel 3mo ago
      Yes, correct, and thanks for the addition. To illustrate this quite emotional approach to state finances, the policy of not increasing the the debt was nicknamed "the black zero" ("die Schwarze Null") which got so infamous that the employees of the German Federal Ministry of Finances posed as a "black zero" in this photo: https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Bilderstrecken/Bildergalerien/2023/2023-12-27-Wolfgang-Schaeuble/22.html https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Bilderstre... Remember, this was at a time when German government bonds were sold with _negative_ interest. So, Germany was refusing to take on any further debt at the time to invest (i.E. in social capital like workers, better immigration, in infrastructure etc. etc.) and is now trying to rectify this partially, at a time where interest rates are close to 3%. Personally, to me as a non-economist, this feels like a missed opportunity of a lifetime.
      - dgellow 3mo ago
        Yeah, I like to live in Germany but the leadership is extremely good at missing lifetime opportunities…
        croes 3mo ago
        They have a real negative view of humanity. All lazy and corrupt. And that in a country with over 600M unpaid overtime hours and lots of things done based on voluntary work. Maybe some kind of projection. Pretty ironic that the Christian party doesn’t act christian and the social party doesn’t act social.
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Germany has had an immense amount of immigration over the past couple decades.

croes 3mo ago

Immigrants but not immigration because there aren’t enough resources to help all the people to integrate.

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wickedwiesel 3mo ago
Which is a political choice - not necessarily a resource problem. Germany, if any, would have the resources to help with integration but for decades most people and politicians were living in denial that people from other countries that came to Germany actually wanted to stay and _live_ there or were living in a world were state debt was seen as the devil's spawn.
- dgellow 3mo ago
  > were living in a world were state debt was seen as the devil's spawn. You’re not kidding, it’s literally set in the German constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_balanced_budget_amendment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_balanced_budget_amendme...
  - wickedwiesel 3mo ago
    Yes, correct, and thanks for the addition. To illustrate this quite emotional approach to state finances, the policy of not increasing the the debt was nicknamed "the black zero" ("die Schwarze Null") which got so infamous that the employees of the German Federal Ministry of Finances posed as a "black zero" in this photo: https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Bilderstrecken/Bildergalerien/2023/2023-12-27-Wolfgang-Schaeuble/22.html https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Bilderstre... Remember, this was at a time when German government bonds were sold with _negative_ interest. So, Germany was refusing to take on any further debt at the time to invest (i.E. in social capital like workers, better immigration, in infrastructure etc. etc.) and is now trying to rectify this partially, at a time where interest rates are close to 3%. Personally, to me as a non-economist, this feels like a missed opportunity of a lifetime.
    - dgellow 3mo ago
      Yeah, I like to live in Germany but the leadership is extremely good at missing lifetime opportunities…
      - croes 3mo ago
        They have a real negative view of humanity. All lazy and corrupt. And that in a country with over 600M unpaid overtime hours and lots of things done based on voluntary work. Maybe some kind of projection. Pretty ironic that the Christian party doesn’t act christian and the social party doesn’t act social.
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