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I tried. But then I didnt get access to essential services like banking and national resources.

by kalx 3mo ago

kalx 3mo ago
Correction: i did get bank access. I just couldnt log into the bank without a google or apple controlled device.
zerof1l 3mo ago
Graphene OS user here. Almost all of the apps I tried work fine. All the banking apps I use work. Have you tried reaching out to the app developer or the service and explaining what Graphene OS is and asking them to support it? I was able to persuade one app to do it. [1] https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...
- kalx 3mo ago
  Problem is that all banks require a national centrale controlled service for login (BankID in Norway). And it is this service that I cannot get to work running GrapheneOS. It worked a couple of months ago, but not anymore. And all customer services and complaints are directed to your bank who 1) has no idea what i am talking about and 2) no control over BankID verification requirements.
  - LadyCailin 3mo ago
    I’ve nearly decided to switch back to the code brick instead of BankID app. It’s less convenient, but with the way things are going, I’m just not sure I want to exist in the digital world much longer.
    - kalx 3mo ago
      Good idea. Maybe it wouldn’t be too bad to just attach the code brick to my keyring anyways.
      - tedodor 3mo ago
        I switched to GrapheneOS a couple months ago, and the only real downside is that MitID (danish verison of BankID) doesn't work. I got the code brick and attached it to my keyring and it's honestly not that bad, I usually have the keys close by anyway. Also most apps that need MitID allow you to create a pin to log in without reverification once you've logged in once.
    - LtWorf 3mo ago
      99% of websites won't work with that one. source: I eventually got bankid on the phone in late 2025
  - tremon 3mo ago
    Raise the issue with both the consumer protection watchdog and the trade watchdog. This is a monopoly issue that's impacting consumer choice.
  - edb_123 3mo ago
    I did actually alert BankID about this potential lock-in issue back when they announced they would be abandoning the SIM-based (and thus phone-independent) solution, to little understanding and just general comments about the cost of keeping the SIM-based solution alive. I guess now with eSIM being prevalent it wouldn't have made much difference anyway. But just the thought of the potential to be completely locked out of everything from banks to online payments, logins to the public health system, tax filings (and basically all public sector services) just at the whim of Google or Apple's automated algorithms misunderstanding some random account activity, is a thought that should make everyone (and especially those in countries dependent on systems like BankID) afraid and demand at minimum: Rights to: - Due Process - Accountability from Google & Apple and fines for when they do wrong - Multiple warnings (with a right to know what you're being accused of) before being locked out - Well-functioning complaint procedures with strict time frames - Make the mere concept of banning users "for life" illegal ...from Google and Apple (and strict fines for them not adhering to them). Feel free to add more to the list. Else we as a society can't depend on a smartphone as the main key to our lives anymore.
AlexAltea 3mo ago
FWIW, I submitted an EU DMA complaint (Art 27 report) against Alphabet for unfair gatekeeping against third-party distributions like GrapheneOS via Play Integrity. More info: https://github.com/AlexAltea/blog/blob/master/posts/2026-06-25-dma-play-integrity/_main.md https://github.com/AlexAltea/blog/blob/master/posts/2026-06-... Convincing developers, especially bank and gov apps, is near impossible and won't scale well. Going after Alphabet for not meeting DMA obligations seems the easier path. Might not go anywhere but worth a shot.
- preisschild 3mo ago
  > Convincing developers, especially bank and gov apps, is near impossible and won't scale well Not impossible though, my bank and govt eID app did do safetynet, but after enough users complained in both apps you can now skip a warning and use it without issues
  - bluebarbet 3mo ago
    The government and bank in question deserve to be named and praised.
    - preisschild 3mo ago
      Austrian eID app (ID Austria) + Erste Bank/Sparkasse AG (George Austria) AFAIK they make use of this: https://a-sit-plus.github.io/warden-supreme/integration/supreme/#trusting-grapheneos https://a-sit-plus.github.io/warden-supreme/integration/supr...
- frm88 3mo ago
  Is there something we can do to support your efforts?
  - AlexAltea 3mo ago
    Only two things come to mind: 1. Provide or find pro bono legal resources deeply familiar with EU DMA and similar antitrust regulations, willing to proof-check and improve this report, and perhaps advise on better channels to submit it. 2. Locate more affected end-users, including applicable members of the GrapheneOS Foundation and developers behind other distributions, make them aware of these efforts so that hopefully we submit a joint complaint. (Might get more traction, though AFAICT reporting is limited to EU citizens). Happy to fork this into its own repository if it helps with collaboration.
feelamee 3mo ago
lol, this problem stopped me from installing GrapheneOS early. But now.. I removed banking apps by myself because my state require room them to collect phone fingerprint and access to location EACH time they opened. So... looks like now nothing stops me

I tried. But then I didnt get access to essential services like banking and national resources.

by kalx 3mo ago

I tried. But then I didnt get access to essential services like banking and national resources.

kalx 3mo ago

Correction: i did get bank access. I just couldnt log into the bank without a google or apple controlled device.

zerof1l 3mo ago

Graphene OS user here. Almost all of the apps I tried work fine. All the banking apps I use work. Have you tried reaching out to the app developer or the service and explaining what Graphene OS is and asking them to support it? I was able to persuade one app to do it. [1] https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

kalx 3mo ago
Problem is that all banks require a national centrale controlled service for login (BankID in Norway). And it is this service that I cannot get to work running GrapheneOS. It worked a couple of months ago, but not anymore. And all customer services and complaints are directed to your bank who 1) has no idea what i am talking about and 2) no control over BankID verification requirements.
- LadyCailin 3mo ago
  I’ve nearly decided to switch back to the code brick instead of BankID app. It’s less convenient, but with the way things are going, I’m just not sure I want to exist in the digital world much longer.
  - kalx 3mo ago
    Good idea. Maybe it wouldn’t be too bad to just attach the code brick to my keyring anyways.
    - tedodor 3mo ago
      I switched to GrapheneOS a couple months ago, and the only real downside is that MitID (danish verison of BankID) doesn't work. I got the code brick and attached it to my keyring and it's honestly not that bad, I usually have the keys close by anyway. Also most apps that need MitID allow you to create a pin to log in without reverification once you've logged in once.
  - LtWorf 3mo ago
    99% of websites won't work with that one. source: I eventually got bankid on the phone in late 2025
- tremon 3mo ago
  Raise the issue with both the consumer protection watchdog and the trade watchdog. This is a monopoly issue that's impacting consumer choice.
- edb_123 3mo ago
  I did actually alert BankID about this potential lock-in issue back when they announced they would be abandoning the SIM-based (and thus phone-independent) solution, to little understanding and just general comments about the cost of keeping the SIM-based solution alive. I guess now with eSIM being prevalent it wouldn't have made much difference anyway. But just the thought of the potential to be completely locked out of everything from banks to online payments, logins to the public health system, tax filings (and basically all public sector services) just at the whim of Google or Apple's automated algorithms misunderstanding some random account activity, is a thought that should make everyone (and especially those in countries dependent on systems like BankID) afraid and demand at minimum: Rights to: - Due Process - Accountability from Google & Apple and fines for when they do wrong - Multiple warnings (with a right to know what you're being accused of) before being locked out - Well-functioning complaint procedures with strict time frames - Make the mere concept of banning users "for life" illegal ...from Google and Apple (and strict fines for them not adhering to them). Feel free to add more to the list. Else we as a society can't depend on a smartphone as the main key to our lives anymore.

AlexAltea 3mo ago

FWIW, I submitted an EU DMA complaint (Art 27 report) against Alphabet for unfair gatekeeping against third-party distributions like GrapheneOS via Play Integrity. More info: https://github.com/AlexAltea/blog/blob/master/posts/2026-06-25-dma-play-integrity/_main.md https://github.com/AlexAltea/blog/blob/master/posts/2026-06-... Convincing developers, especially bank and gov apps, is near impossible and won't scale well. Going after Alphabet for not meeting DMA obligations seems the easier path. Might not go anywhere but worth a shot.

preisschild 3mo ago
> Convincing developers, especially bank and gov apps, is near impossible and won't scale well Not impossible though, my bank and govt eID app did do safetynet, but after enough users complained in both apps you can now skip a warning and use it without issues
- bluebarbet 3mo ago
  The government and bank in question deserve to be named and praised.
  - preisschild 3mo ago
    Austrian eID app (ID Austria) + Erste Bank/Sparkasse AG (George Austria) AFAIK they make use of this: https://a-sit-plus.github.io/warden-supreme/integration/supreme/#trusting-grapheneos https://a-sit-plus.github.io/warden-supreme/integration/supr...
frm88 3mo ago
Is there something we can do to support your efforts?
- AlexAltea 3mo ago
  Only two things come to mind: 1. Provide or find pro bono legal resources deeply familiar with EU DMA and similar antitrust regulations, willing to proof-check and improve this report, and perhaps advise on better channels to submit it. 2. Locate more affected end-users, including applicable members of the GrapheneOS Foundation and developers behind other distributions, make them aware of these efforts so that hopefully we submit a joint complaint. (Might get more traction, though AFAICT reporting is limited to EU citizens). Happy to fork this into its own repository if it helps with collaboration.

feelamee 3mo ago

lol, this problem stopped me from installing GrapheneOS early. But now.. I removed banking apps by myself because my state require room them to collect phone fingerprint and access to location EACH time they opened. So... looks like now nothing stops me