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> The good guys are the chinese firms Eh... I'd say DeepSeek and maybe one more of the small labs. Chinese Big Tech is even worse than US Big Tech.

by alecco 3mo ago

matheusmoreira 3mo ago
Whichever firm is distilling the frontier models and releasing the weights is doing god's work. I'll forever thank them for that.
- applicative 3mo ago
  They're great but in fact it is state financed economic war against the democratic world.
  - supriyo-biswas 3mo ago
    That could easily change if the frontier labs would release their (N-1)th model or (N-2)th model as open weights. Unfortunately, they won't.
  - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
    The democratic world that wants to price me out of computers? Lock me out with remote attestation? Put me in a permanent underclass where I'm forced to rent computers and inference from the owner class instead of operating my own systems? A world so democratic it's degenerating into technofeudalism? Where you'll own nothing and you'll be happy? China's not looking too bad.
    - alecco 3mo ago
      Chinese Big Tech aim to do that and worse, also in bed with their political class. They only do open source because their hand was forced. Today big pockets and big datacenters are the differentiatior and it looks like even DeepSeek can't keep up. The only chance if enough people and small companies join forces into a Rebellion of sorts. But I don't see this happening... yet.
      - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
        > Chinese Big Tech aim to do that and worse At least they're honest about it. No preaching about freedom or safety like the USA. > They only do open source because their hand was forced. Optimal outcome considering the status quo. I hope the USA and China keep forcing each other's hands until the end of time so that we can keep reaping the benefits of their competition. If China develops their own DRAM and GPU industries, it would significantly weaken the threat of US export bans on inference capable hardware.

> The good guys are the chinese firms Eh... I'd say DeepSeek and maybe one more of the small labs. Chinese Big Tech is even worse than US Big Tech.

by alecco 3mo ago

> The good guys are the chinese firms Eh... I'd say DeepSeek and maybe one more of the small labs. Chinese Big Tech is even worse than US Big Tech.

matheusmoreira 3mo ago

Whichever firm is distilling the frontier models and releasing the weights is doing god's work. I'll forever thank them for that.

applicative 3mo ago
They're great but in fact it is state financed economic war against the democratic world.
- supriyo-biswas 3mo ago
  That could easily change if the frontier labs would release their (N-1)th model or (N-2)th model as open weights. Unfortunately, they won't.
- matheusmoreira 3mo ago
  The democratic world that wants to price me out of computers? Lock me out with remote attestation? Put me in a permanent underclass where I'm forced to rent computers and inference from the owner class instead of operating my own systems? A world so democratic it's degenerating into technofeudalism? Where you'll own nothing and you'll be happy? China's not looking too bad.
  - alecco 3mo ago
    Chinese Big Tech aim to do that and worse, also in bed with their political class. They only do open source because their hand was forced. Today big pockets and big datacenters are the differentiatior and it looks like even DeepSeek can't keep up. The only chance if enough people and small companies join forces into a Rebellion of sorts. But I don't see this happening... yet.
    - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
      > Chinese Big Tech aim to do that and worse At least they're honest about it. No preaching about freedom or safety like the USA. > They only do open source because their hand was forced. Optimal outcome considering the status quo. I hope the USA and China keep forcing each other's hands until the end of time so that we can keep reaping the benefits of their competition. If China develops their own DRAM and GPU industries, it would significantly weaken the threat of US export bans on inference capable hardware.