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First its the "Chinese" then it will be people using "cyber" capabilities, or "jailbreaking" or "going against Dario" or any other thing they find "objectionabl
by kiproping 3mo ago
First its the "Chinese" then it will be people using "cyber" capabilities, or "jailbreaking" or "going against Dario" or any other thing they find "objectionable".
- pmarreck 3mo ago[flagged]
- appplication 3mo agoI don’t mean to insult you, but it is probably worth refreshing yourself on when slippery slope is actually a fallacy. It’s not correct to suggest logical extension of an established precedent is a slippery slope.
- brookst 3mo agoSlipper slope is always a fallacy. It works as a metaphor, and as a rhetorical device, but the fact that it’s possible to construct a gradient from heaven to hell is not proof that each step in the gradient is inevitable. It’s a good way to illustrate a potential bad path. But I can construct a slippery slope from commenting on HN to making bioweapons. That should not be seen as evidence that HN commenters are likely to do such a thing, and should not be used as an argument to forego (or ban) commenting on HN.
- jonathanstrange 3mo agoThat's not correct. Many slippery slope arguments are perfectly valid and sound, namely whenever there is plausible evidence for the existence of the respective slippery slope. It can for instance be based on historical precedents, or on probabilistic or convincing balance of consideration sub-arguments for the slippery slope premise. Whether its a fallacy or not depends a lot on how warranted the slippery slope premise is (notwithstanding other, possible logical errors that might me made in setting up the argument, of course).
- brookst 3mo agoGive an example where a slippery slope is itself a legitimate argument and not just a rhetorical technique to oppose A using arguments against B?
- MarkusQ 3mo agoOpioid use comes to mind.
- deleted 3mo ago[deleted]
- jonathanstrange 3mo agoWars are sometimes caused by small acts of violence (e.g. at the border) that are mutually retributed, becoming larger and larger, until the hostilities turn into an all out war. This is sometimes called "escalation of violence." If wars are sometimes caused in that way, then there must be some wars for which a slippery slope argument concerning the escalation of violence is not fallacious.
- nativeit 3mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope In a slippery-slope argument, a course of action is rejected because the slippery slope advocate believes it will lead to a chain reaction resulting in an undesirable end or ends. The core of the slippery slope argument is that a specific decision under debate is likely to result in unintended consequences. The strength of such an argument depends on whether the small step really is likely to lead to the effect. This is quantified in terms of what is known as the warrant (in this case, a demonstration of the process that leads to the significant effect).
- Barbing 3mo agoNo longer slandered as a fallacy in the lede :) the 2019 version: A slippery slope argument (SSA), in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is a logical fallacy in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slippery_slope&oldid=914530087 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slippery_slope&ol...
- vasco 3mo agoPutting "I don't mean to insult you" before a mild phrase just makes it sound you actually want to insult but in a passive aggressive way.
- taneq 3mo agoYou mean there’s a slippery slope from “I don’t mean to insult you” to passively aggressively insulting them? ;)
- dspillett 3mo agoI saw it more as “if you are insulted by this reasonable advice, then you are an immature idiot” rather than a more direct insult. Still passive-aggressive, but no insult intended if the reader isn't triggered. Source: I use similar phrases this way.
- nonethewiser 3mo agoThe Slippery Slope Fallacy Fallacy
- Finbel 3mo agoTextbook fallacy fallacy.
- avadodin 3mo agoFallacy fallacy(and variants) implies there is a fallacy in the first place. If the slope is slippery, it is not a fallacy to conclude that things will slide when placed on it. Claiming something is a fallacy —when it is not— is simply a false statement of fact.
- someonebaggy 3mo agoFor a slippery slope there has to be something about the slope that makes you start at the top. If you can go to any point on the slope, it isn't even a slope. Anthropic can start censoring criticism of Dario completely independently from whether or not they censor Deepseek.
- nonethewiser 3mo agoTextbook fallacy fallacy fallacy
- ezoe 3mo agoYou forgot "Think about the children"
- jknoepfler 3mo ago[flagged]
- nosioptar 3mo agoWasn't she too busy burning down Portland to go to DC?
- FooBarWidget 3mo agoTheir terms of service already effectively attacks people for criticizing Anthropic. It says that if you use Claude to criticize Anthropic, then you've pre-agreed to pay for their lawyers going after you, and pre-agreed to lose the court case.
- throwawayffffas 3mo agoSince Fable if you use Claude to do ML research they find objectionable you are delegated to less capable models.
- lowbuzz 3mo agoI don't think that would hold up in a court. At least not outside of the US.
- FooBarWidget 3mo agoDoesn't matter. Getting entangled up in a court case that lasts years is hassle enough by itself that it's effective as an attack.