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This bait-and-switch with privacy is what annoys me. I get that if the software was completely free, you are the product. But if I'm paying, why can I not have

by cmdrmac 3mo ago

This bait-and-switch with privacy is what annoys me. I get that if the software was completely free, you are the product. But if I'm paying, why can I not have a privacy policy that actually benefits me - the user?

klibertp 3mo ago
You're probably not paying nearly enough? IDK, but pricing in tech is stretched on both ends (either way too cheap, or incredibly expensive) so much that it's hard to say anything for sure just because one is a "paying customer".
- throw1234567891 3mo ago
  > You're probably not paying nearly enough? What are the real prices then? What is the “privacy price”?
  - buzer 3mo ago
    2 weeks ago it was $60 billion apparently. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48553224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48553224 It might be higher now.
  - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
    Some hundreds of thousands of dollars for a computer capable of local inference with GLM 5.2.
- cmdrmac 3mo ago
  Fair point. I'd add on that the company should explicitly spell out strong privacy as a feature then and charge more. Saying that "we won't use your data for training", but then not really meaning it is a bit disingenuous. How I interpret that statement may not necessarily align with the company (i.e., what kind of training?).
- sunaookami 3mo ago
  Did LLM companies pay everyone for the code and text they stole?
  - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
    No, they just reached some absurd token settlements that made a mockery of all other copyright enforcement victims. One would think dozens of SWAT officers would rappel down helicopters and storm the mansions of these big tech CEOs in order to bring them out in cuffs and serve zillion dollar fines on behalf of the so called rights holders. Kim Dotcom got destroyed while AI companies got a slap on the wrist.
matheusmoreira 3mo ago
Your payment is just a signal that you've got disposable income. You're paying to make yourself an even more valuable product for them to sell.

by cmdrmac 3mo ago

klibertp 3mo ago

You're probably not paying nearly enough? IDK, but pricing in tech is stretched on both ends (either way too cheap, or incredibly expensive) so much that it's hard to say anything for sure just because one is a "paying customer".

throw1234567891 3mo ago
> You're probably not paying nearly enough? What are the real prices then? What is the “privacy price”?
- buzer 3mo ago
  2 weeks ago it was $60 billion apparently. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48553224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48553224 It might be higher now.
- matheusmoreira 3mo ago
  Some hundreds of thousands of dollars for a computer capable of local inference with GLM 5.2.
cmdrmac 3mo ago
Fair point. I'd add on that the company should explicitly spell out strong privacy as a feature then and charge more. Saying that "we won't use your data for training", but then not really meaning it is a bit disingenuous. How I interpret that statement may not necessarily align with the company (i.e., what kind of training?).
sunaookami 3mo ago
Did LLM companies pay everyone for the code and text they stole?
- matheusmoreira 3mo ago
  No, they just reached some absurd token settlements that made a mockery of all other copyright enforcement victims. One would think dozens of SWAT officers would rappel down helicopters and storm the mansions of these big tech CEOs in order to bring them out in cuffs and serve zillion dollar fines on behalf of the so called rights holders. Kim Dotcom got destroyed while AI companies got a slap on the wrist.

matheusmoreira 3mo ago

Your payment is just a signal that you've got disposable income. You're paying to make yourself an even more valuable product for them to sell.