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Please name some of these countries. Europe is stuck with this nonsense and there is no hope in sight despite yearly polls showing majority people being against
by lnsru 3mo ago
Please name some of these countries. Europe is stuck with this nonsense and there is no hope in sight despite yearly polls showing majority people being against it.
- worthless-trash 3mo agoQueensland Australia, a single state moved away from it. It is glorious.
- tristanj 3mo agohttps://www.timeanddate.com/sun/australia/brisbane https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/australia/brisbane Queensland Australia is relatively close to the equator, and the length of day does not change dramatically between summer and winter. DST is intended for places at higher latitudes.
- toxik 3mo agoNo, it is intended for a small band of places where the latitude is big enough to make winter and summer daytime length significantly different, but not so different that DST does nothing. In Sweden, with DST, the sunrise is at 4am in summer and 8am in winter. Just set it so noon is actually noon.
- tristanj 3mo ago> In Sweden, with DST, the sunrise is at 4am in summer and 8am in winter. In Sweden, in summer without DST, sunrise in Stockholm would happen ~2:30 AM. In the current system, with DST, sunrise happens around 3:30 AM, an improvement. In winter, if Sweden kept permanent DST (which is what many advocate for), sunrise in December would happen at around 9:45 AM. In the current system (shifting time back during winter), it happens around 8:45 AM, a more reasonable time. You realize you're literally proving my point? > Just set it so noon is actually noon. Pretty meaningless to advocate for this, then every longitude would have its own timezone, defeating the purpose of timezones.
- toxik 3mo agoWell, you certainly got a combative tone. I don't care if it's 8:45 or 9:45, it is what it is. You don't get more or fewer hours of sun, it's dark when you go to work, it's dark when you get home from work. With DST. Noon at noon is pretty much what the time zones are aiming for, yes.
- tristanj 3mo ago> You don't get more or fewer hours of sun Technically correct but false in practice. DST shifts sunlight hours to when people tend to be awake, giving the average person more hours of sun per day. Sun received while asleep is not useful.
- reedf1 3mo agoYou've said this repeatedly, but it is largely not true.
- tristanj 3mo agoElaborate. The intent of DST is to normalize variations in the time of sunrise between summer and winter. Places closer to the equator have minimal variation in the time of sunrise between seasons. They don't need DST. Higher latitudes have large variation (i.e. Seattle, where the time of sunrise shifts between 4am in summer to 8am in winter), so they benefit from DST or summer/winter hours. DST is one of the simplest implementations of seasonal hours on a regional scale.
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- reedf1 3mo agoWhat people usually mean by abolishing DST is permanent summer hours. If your problem was sunrise timing, then problem solved - DST actually moves that earlier than you require twice a year for normal working hours (i.e. less sun in the evenings). Source: my own high latitude life.
- tristanj 3mo agoAbolishing DST for permanent summer hours don't address the winter sunrise issue. Under permanent DST, the sun rises around 9 AM in December in Seattle. That's far too late. I, and millions of other people, do not want to wake up 2 hours before sunrise and drive to work in the dark. Under the current system (DST reverts back during winter), sunrise is shifted an hour earlier to around 8AM, which is manageable. I don't have to drive to work in the dark. https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle
- reedf1 3mo agoI guess you're fine commuting home in the dark? But regardless, you can navigate without light an hour before sunrise.
- worthless-trash 3mo agoQueensland may be, but Brisbane is not relatively close to the equator. Its 27 degrees. Tip of cape york is 10 degrees, thats a pretty big difference. It can be dark in Brisbane and still light at my parents house near cape york.
- devilbunny 3mo agoCape York is also 10 degrees west of Brisbane. That alone gets sunset 40 minutes later even if you stay at the same latitude.
- worthless-trash 3mo agoI feel like its.. much longer than 40 minutes.
- rrr_oh_man 3mo ago> Please name some of these countries According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country#:~:text=%5B1%5D-,Historical%20observance,edit,-Location https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_countr... since 2000: Paraguay 2024 Iran 2022 Jordan 2022 Syria 2022 Fiji 2021 Samoa 2021 Brazil 2019 Morocco 2018 Western Sahara 2018 Namibia 2017 Tonga 2017 Mongolia 2016 Turkey 2016 Azerbaijan 2015 Uruguay 2015 Russia 2014 Libya 2013 Armenia 2011 Belarus 2010 Falklands 2010 Argentina 2009 Bangladesh 2009 Mauritius 2009 Pakistan 2009 Tunisia 2008 Iraq 2007 Guatemala 2006 Honduras 2006 Nicaragua 2006 Sri Lanka 2006 Georgia 2005 Kyrgyzstan 2005 Kazakhstan 2004
- frollogaston 3mo agoAt first glance, seems most of those are closer to the Equator than Western Europe. The exceptions I see are Russia and Kazakhstan.
- rrr_oh_man 3mo agoMost countries are closer to the equator than European countries. And Spain is on the same latitude as Turkmenistan.
- frollogaston 3mo agoYeah, which is why DST matters more in Europe. Spain might not need it though.
- bigmadshoe 3mo agoBritish Columbia is far from the equator and just removed DST (permanent summer time).