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I will not miss "US science as we know it", at least that part of it that gave us terms like "menstruating people".

Rekindle8090 3mo ago
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CamperBob2 3mo ago
That's a fair objection, but it's not OK to politicize everything else in science just because a few idiots handed your party an unusually-catchy wedge issue. Climate science is not "woke." Basic and applied research at agencies like NASA is not "woke." Math departments are not "woke." NIST is not "woke." Yet all of their funding is under threat by the Trump administration and Republicans in general.
- hagbard_c 3mo ago
  > Climate science is not "woke." No, it isn't. Climate research is a real discipline. Climate catastrophism isn't "woke" either, it is just nuts. The term "woke" has been generalised far too much and is starting to fill the same role on the "right" as "racist" fills on the "left": a word to use for something people don't like. While there are plenty of real "woke" infections in academia not all bad ideas pushed by "the left" are "woke", some are just bad.
- stackedinserter 3mo ago
  Sure, NASA and NIST are not "woke", but somehow this cancer creeps there. Example: https://tsapps.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=932499 https://tsapps.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=93249... Money was paid to Mary Theofanos and Justyna Zwolak, and their supervisors to produce this crap, instead of researchers and engineers that do real things.
  - nickledave 2mo ago
    What specific part of this study do you think is a "cancer"? > over a third of all respondents expressed beliefs that the best opportunities do not go to the most deserving employees but rather are given based on who one knows Sounds like a real problem in the culture at NIST that should be fixed. What kind of PUAHate incel loser angrily calls out women scientists by name because they carried out a large-scale analysis of NIST HR data, incomes, and a survey? What part of that isn't "real things" to you? What a tiny little worldview you have.

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That's a fair objection, but it's not OK to politicize everything else in science just because a few idiots handed your party an unusually-catchy wedge issue. Climate science is not "woke." Basic and applied research at agencies like NASA is not "woke." Math departments are not "woke." NIST is not "woke." Yet all of their funding is under threat by the Trump administration and Republicans in general.

hagbard_c 3mo ago
> Climate science is not "woke." No, it isn't. Climate research is a real discipline. Climate catastrophism isn't "woke" either, it is just nuts. The term "woke" has been generalised far too much and is starting to fill the same role on the "right" as "racist" fills on the "left": a word to use for something people don't like. While there are plenty of real "woke" infections in academia not all bad ideas pushed by "the left" are "woke", some are just bad.
stackedinserter 3mo ago
Sure, NASA and NIST are not "woke", but somehow this cancer creeps there. Example: https://tsapps.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=932499 https://tsapps.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=93249... Money was paid to Mary Theofanos and Justyna Zwolak, and their supervisors to produce this crap, instead of researchers and engineers that do real things.
- nickledave 2mo ago
  What specific part of this study do you think is a "cancer"? > over a third of all respondents expressed beliefs that the best opportunities do not go to the most deserving employees but rather are given based on who one knows Sounds like a real problem in the culture at NIST that should be fixed. What kind of PUAHate incel loser angrily calls out women scientists by name because they carried out a large-scale analysis of NIST HR data, incomes, and a survey? What part of that isn't "real things" to you? What a tiny little worldview you have.