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I just want Tidal and Spotify to give me the option to fully opt-out of AI generated music. I don't want it mixed in with my music. If others want it great, but

by dkhenry 3mo ago

I just want Tidal and Spotify to give me the option to fully opt-out of AI generated music. I don't want it mixed in with my music. If others want it great, but I want the option to not engage with the content.

ktbwrestler 3mo ago
I feel the same way, but it’s hard to draw the line: - was the song totally one-shot “make me a song in the style of X?” - was it a legit artist that used AI to create a verse lyric stanza after they’d already created the entirety of the melody/ chords etc?
- dkhenry 3mo ago
  I would go with, if the song could be reasonably performed live by the human publishing it, and have a similar sound to the recording, then its fine to keep in. The issue I have is songs like this one, where there is no way anyone could even try to perform it https://open.spotify.com/track/0jGJtiDfEO9syfSL8AshBF?si=b92a9e44e9224091 https://open.spotify.com/track/0jGJtiDfEO9syfSL8AshBF?si=b92...
  - JauntyHatAngle 3mo ago
    That doesn't really work for electronic music though. Electronic or not, whether messing with a buchla or producing via vsts and changing knobs around still ends up with a human feel and human choices in a way AI music doesn't. And what about the line between triggers or samples? I can play some impossible AI music if I sample the impossible parts and just say it's a sample played on a synth or whatever.
    - dkhenry 3mo ago
      It would be a shades of gray situation, but I think of this performance by Skrillex where he is mixing live, and thats what I would expect from a live EDM performance. There should be a line between a EDM artist, and a DJ https://youtu.be/hb0XLX0b4Y4 https://youtu.be/hb0XLX0b4Y4
      - JauntyHatAngle 3mo ago
        Sure but a producer has never needed to be able to be a live artist. Making the music is the only requirement and that totally fine.
    - datsci_est_2015 3mo ago
      It’s not even limited to “electronic” music. Consider that sound engineers work with hundreds of layers on a single track to engineer a very specific sound. Then a pop star adds vocals. Then those vocals are engineered beyond recognition. Sometimes if the vocalist is talented enough they go on tour and then perform with minimal after-effects, and sometimes they lipsync.
jrm4 3mo ago
Nothing personal, but there's something hilarious about "I demand a quick and easy solution to a likely practically impossible problem once you get into details" -- in opposition to AI.
- DonsDiscountGas 3mo ago
  This isn't a problem which needs to be solved perfectly, at least in this context. If some electronic music creators (using 2015 level technology) get reduced play and some fully AI music gets through the filters it's really fine.
ActionHank 3mo ago
This is the key point, they're all enforcing tagging with no means to filter it out entirely.
QuantumNoodle 3mo ago
Agreed. Especially since there is similar functionality for explicit tracks

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ktbwrestler 3mo ago

I feel the same way, but it’s hard to draw the line: - was the song totally one-shot “make me a song in the style of X?” - was it a legit artist that used AI to create a verse lyric stanza after they’d already created the entirety of the melody/ chords etc?

dkhenry 3mo ago
I would go with, if the song could be reasonably performed live by the human publishing it, and have a similar sound to the recording, then its fine to keep in. The issue I have is songs like this one, where there is no way anyone could even try to perform it https://open.spotify.com/track/0jGJtiDfEO9syfSL8AshBF?si=b92a9e44e9224091 https://open.spotify.com/track/0jGJtiDfEO9syfSL8AshBF?si=b92...
- JauntyHatAngle 3mo ago
  That doesn't really work for electronic music though. Electronic or not, whether messing with a buchla or producing via vsts and changing knobs around still ends up with a human feel and human choices in a way AI music doesn't. And what about the line between triggers or samples? I can play some impossible AI music if I sample the impossible parts and just say it's a sample played on a synth or whatever.
  - dkhenry 3mo ago
    It would be a shades of gray situation, but I think of this performance by Skrillex where he is mixing live, and thats what I would expect from a live EDM performance. There should be a line between a EDM artist, and a DJ https://youtu.be/hb0XLX0b4Y4 https://youtu.be/hb0XLX0b4Y4
    - JauntyHatAngle 3mo ago
      Sure but a producer has never needed to be able to be a live artist. Making the music is the only requirement and that totally fine.
  - datsci_est_2015 3mo ago
    It’s not even limited to “electronic” music. Consider that sound engineers work with hundreds of layers on a single track to engineer a very specific sound. Then a pop star adds vocals. Then those vocals are engineered beyond recognition. Sometimes if the vocalist is talented enough they go on tour and then perform with minimal after-effects, and sometimes they lipsync.

jrm4 3mo ago

Nothing personal, but there's something hilarious about "I demand a quick and easy solution to a likely practically impossible problem once you get into details" -- in opposition to AI.

DonsDiscountGas 3mo ago
This isn't a problem which needs to be solved perfectly, at least in this context. If some electronic music creators (using 2015 level technology) get reduced play and some fully AI music gets through the filters it's really fine.

ActionHank 3mo ago

This is the key point, they're all enforcing tagging with no means to filter it out entirely.

QuantumNoodle 3mo ago

Agreed. Especially since there is similar functionality for explicit tracks