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Educate me, what’s the point of (open-sourcing) this?

jstanley 3mo ago
People who are interested can look at it and use it. People who aren't interested are free to ignore it. What's the downside of open-sourcing this? We should commend bureaucracies on the rare instance that they open-source their software, not ridicule them for it.
- qprofyeh 3mo ago
  It’s an honest question, perhaps not worded friendly enough. Forgive my English. Let’s zoom in on your reply, the people who are interested and look at it and use it. What will they be able to do with it?
  - achllle 3mo ago
    1. Run the analyses themselves to help them understand it 2. Provide feedback and even improvements 3. Simply trust that the project is run in good faith because there's transparency
lyoncy 3mo ago
The EU is demanding that the European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity (ENTSO-E) implement this ten-year power infrastructure plan transparently. Unfortunately, this modelling has so far been carried out using an expensive, proprietary tool (PLEXOS Energy Exemplar). The results were not easily reproducible. However, with the new model based on PyPSA-Eur, a transparent Ten-Year Network Development Plan can be created.
- qprofyeh 3mo ago
  Thanks!
- InsideOutSanta 3mo ago
  Thanks for actually answering the question. I was curious, too.
bobs_salsa 3mo ago
This is a repo build using the PyPSA python framework. PyPSA is an open-source Python framework for optimizing modern power systems with renewable energy, storage, and multi-sector coupling. The repo linked “seeks to complement the tools currently used in the TYNDP cycles, especially for Scenario Building (SB) and Cost-Benefit Analysis (CBA). This approach is designed to enhance transparency and lower barriers to stakeholder participation in European energy planning. Beyond Europe, the project aspires to demonstrate the viability of open-source (OS) frameworks in energy planning, encouraging broader global adoption. To build trust in and ensure reproducibility with the new open-source toolchain, the project first focuses on replicating key figures from the 2024 TYNDP cycle, before aligning with the current 2026 TYNDP cycle. This process involves developing new features within the open-source domain to address existing gaps, integrating tools for data interoperability and dynamic visualizations, and publishing best practices to encourage the adoption of open energy models.” Why this report is shared appears to be an application of PyPSA for others to reference and become inspired by its implementation. Why it’s open source I think is clear from the above paragraph. Open source standards make it drastically easier to harmonise and collaborate while allowing as much engagement as possible to scrutinise the framework.
thomastu 3mo ago
There's a very expensive process for resource planning the electrical grid that is highly modeling dependent. Most electricity grids are planned with a least cost expansion modeling approach. A small number of incumbent vendors provide expensive closed source tools to do this. There are quite a few open tools in this space, but open energy transition is building consensus around pypsa and pypsa-eur as equivalent top of class models (better in a lot of ways) to use for various IRPs.
- qprofyeh 3mo ago
  Thanks, definitely positive they’re moving towards open and freely accessible modeling tools. I can see the benefits for students and budget-constrained institutions.
Chu4eeno 3mo ago
All government (funded) software should be at the very least open source. I think a good example is the Norwegian Meteorological Institute: https://github.com/metno https://github.com/metno (EEA, though, not real EU, but still) It's not like all of it is useful for someone else, but it's the principle of it, and allowing people to see what their tax money (sometimes) goes to.

People who are interested can look at it and use it. People who aren't interested are free to ignore it. What's the downside of open-sourcing this? We should commend bureaucracies on the rare instance that they open-source their software, not ridicule them for it.

qprofyeh 3mo ago
It’s an honest question, perhaps not worded friendly enough. Forgive my English. Let’s zoom in on your reply, the people who are interested and look at it and use it. What will they be able to do with it?
- achllle 3mo ago
  1. Run the analyses themselves to help them understand it 2. Provide feedback and even improvements 3. Simply trust that the project is run in good faith because there's transparency

lyoncy 3mo ago

The EU is demanding that the European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity (ENTSO-E) implement this ten-year power infrastructure plan transparently. Unfortunately, this modelling has so far been carried out using an expensive, proprietary tool (PLEXOS Energy Exemplar). The results were not easily reproducible. However, with the new model based on PyPSA-Eur, a transparent Ten-Year Network Development Plan can be created.

qprofyeh 3mo ago
Thanks!
InsideOutSanta 3mo ago
Thanks for actually answering the question. I was curious, too.

bobs_salsa 3mo ago

This is a repo build using the PyPSA python framework. PyPSA is an open-source Python framework for optimizing modern power systems with renewable energy, storage, and multi-sector coupling. The repo linked “seeks to complement the tools currently used in the TYNDP cycles, especially for Scenario Building (SB) and Cost-Benefit Analysis (CBA). This approach is designed to enhance transparency and lower barriers to stakeholder participation in European energy planning. Beyond Europe, the project aspires to demonstrate the viability of open-source (OS) frameworks in energy planning, encouraging broader global adoption. To build trust in and ensure reproducibility with the new open-source toolchain, the project first focuses on replicating key figures from the 2024 TYNDP cycle, before aligning with the current 2026 TYNDP cycle. This process involves developing new features within the open-source domain to address existing gaps, integrating tools for data interoperability and dynamic visualizations, and publishing best practices to encourage the adoption of open energy models.” Why this report is shared appears to be an application of PyPSA for others to reference and become inspired by its implementation. Why it’s open source I think is clear from the above paragraph. Open source standards make it drastically easier to harmonise and collaborate while allowing as much engagement as possible to scrutinise the framework.

thomastu 3mo ago

There's a very expensive process for resource planning the electrical grid that is highly modeling dependent. Most electricity grids are planned with a least cost expansion modeling approach. A small number of incumbent vendors provide expensive closed source tools to do this. There are quite a few open tools in this space, but open energy transition is building consensus around pypsa and pypsa-eur as equivalent top of class models (better in a lot of ways) to use for various IRPs.

qprofyeh 3mo ago
Thanks, definitely positive they’re moving towards open and freely accessible modeling tools. I can see the benefits for students and budget-constrained institutions.

Chu4eeno 3mo ago

All government (funded) software should be at the very least open source. I think a good example is the Norwegian Meteorological Institute: https://github.com/metno https://github.com/metno (EEA, though, not real EU, but still) It's not like all of it is useful for someone else, but it's the principle of it, and allowing people to see what their tax money (sometimes) goes to.