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They have an impressive set of investors [1]. Also, HN Headline [2] from the other day with 100+ comments. 1. https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en https://

They have an impressive set of investors [1]. Also, HN Headline [2] from the other day with 100+ comments. 1. https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624782

UncleOxidant 3mo ago
Has either of these companies released models before this? It's hard to believe that they could release a supposed Mythos-level model just out-of-the-blue. Deepseek, Z.ai, Alibaba/Qwen have been at this for a lot longer and have been releasing models with steadily increasing capabilities for about 18 months now. I find it hard to believe that these new companies would just suddenly release a Mythos-level model without releasing anything prior.
- pogue 3mo ago
  How do we define "mythos level" exactly outside of marketing buzz? I don't even think the majority of us can access Mythos yet even to make a comparison.
  - codemog 3mo ago
    There's benchmarks on their page that directly compare to Mythos. Yes, I already know benchmarks aren't the territory.
- khurs 3mo ago
  https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en 1 x Co-author of the landmark "Attention Is All You Need" paper 1 x google researcher 20+ big name investors funding Founded July 2023 so been working on it a few years, it may fall short but they have the money and talent to be potentially decent.
  - jsemrau 3mo ago
    But did they deliver anything yet? There are many startups with notable founders that are not being able to get models launched. And even if they are able to launch, so they get PMF. In case of Sakana, they clearly focus on the Japanese market an have buildup a good pipeline on sovereign AI. But similar to Aleph Alpha or to a certain extend Mistral, I don't see how they can keep up.
    - khurs 3mo ago
      I think every country/major country at the government level will back any home grown talent in view of USA restrictions. The models don't need to be as good, just good enough for the task. I am using a Claude Q3 2024 model mostly (Haiku 4.5) at present, and it delivers what I need.
    - resonious 3mo ago
      I live in Japan and yet can't seem to pay for their API in JPY... I bet their enterprise customers don't have that problem but it was pretty annoying given "AI in Japan" appears to be there only selling point.
      - jsemrau 3mo ago
        The only way they can compete in Japan is the enterprise-game. Their partnership with Daiwa and MUFG is probably exactly what they should be doing. I doubt that they get that far though. Like Mistral who has partnerships with BNP Paribas and Airbus, they deploy in an on-premise or private cloud and in those settings, their models make good PoC's but cant compete where it gets interesting -- Workspace Agents. If you look at them from a Chatbot over RAG perspective, maybe they can do it. But that's tech from 2023.
  - siva7 3mo ago
    That paper had many co-authors and only two who were considered to be the primary drivers and geniuses behind (and they are american citizens).
- Spooky23 3mo ago
  Mythos is extreme hype. We are at a combo of authoritarian politicians peddling fear for power and tech bros trying to extract maximum investment returns. We’re going to have many LLM/toolset combos that do what mythos does.
tpjklpfasdoiuo 3mo ago
They also had a fairly humiliating retraction last year, https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/21/sakana-walks-back-claims-that-its-ai-can-dramatically-speed-up-model-training/ https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/21/sakana-walks-back-claims-t...

UncleOxidant 3mo ago

Has either of these companies released models before this? It's hard to believe that they could release a supposed Mythos-level model just out-of-the-blue. Deepseek, Z.ai, Alibaba/Qwen have been at this for a lot longer and have been releasing models with steadily increasing capabilities for about 18 months now. I find it hard to believe that these new companies would just suddenly release a Mythos-level model without releasing anything prior.

pogue 3mo ago
How do we define "mythos level" exactly outside of marketing buzz? I don't even think the majority of us can access Mythos yet even to make a comparison.
- codemog 3mo ago
  There's benchmarks on their page that directly compare to Mythos. Yes, I already know benchmarks aren't the territory.
khurs 3mo ago
https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en 1 x Co-author of the landmark "Attention Is All You Need" paper 1 x google researcher 20+ big name investors funding Founded July 2023 so been working on it a few years, it may fall short but they have the money and talent to be potentially decent.
- jsemrau 3mo ago
  But did they deliver anything yet? There are many startups with notable founders that are not being able to get models launched. And even if they are able to launch, so they get PMF. In case of Sakana, they clearly focus on the Japanese market an have buildup a good pipeline on sovereign AI. But similar to Aleph Alpha or to a certain extend Mistral, I don't see how they can keep up.
  - khurs 3mo ago
    I think every country/major country at the government level will back any home grown talent in view of USA restrictions. The models don't need to be as good, just good enough for the task. I am using a Claude Q3 2024 model mostly (Haiku 4.5) at present, and it delivers what I need.
  - resonious 3mo ago
    I live in Japan and yet can't seem to pay for their API in JPY... I bet their enterprise customers don't have that problem but it was pretty annoying given "AI in Japan" appears to be there only selling point.
    - jsemrau 3mo ago
      The only way they can compete in Japan is the enterprise-game. Their partnership with Daiwa and MUFG is probably exactly what they should be doing. I doubt that they get that far though. Like Mistral who has partnerships with BNP Paribas and Airbus, they deploy in an on-premise or private cloud and in those settings, their models make good PoC's but cant compete where it gets interesting -- Workspace Agents. If you look at them from a Chatbot over RAG perspective, maybe they can do it. But that's tech from 2023.
- siva7 3mo ago
  That paper had many co-authors and only two who were considered to be the primary drivers and geniuses behind (and they are american citizens).
Spooky23 3mo ago
Mythos is extreme hype. We are at a combo of authoritarian politicians peddling fear for power and tech bros trying to extract maximum investment returns. We’re going to have many LLM/toolset combos that do what mythos does.

tpjklpfasdoiuo 3mo ago

They also had a fairly humiliating retraction last year, https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/21/sakana-walks-back-claims-that-its-ai-can-dramatically-speed-up-model-training/ https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/21/sakana-walks-back-claims-t...