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Imagine if you couldn't buy a lathe unless it refused to make a baseball bat (which could be used for hitting people). Or if you couldn't buy scissors (because
by deet 3mo ago
Imagine if you couldn't buy a lathe unless it refused to make a baseball bat (which could be used for hitting people).
Or if you couldn't buy scissors (because they could cut brake lines).
Or if you couldn't buy a car (because it could be used to run someone over).
And if all of those checked with the government before functioning.
It's almost like maybe instead you should just ban the undesirable end action, enforce that law, and create societal conditions that don't nudge or force people into doing undesirable things.
- morkalork 3mo agohttps://xcancel.com/MPSRegentsPark/status/974645778558980096 https://xcancel.com/MPSRegentsPark/status/974645778558980096
- userbinator 3mo agoenforce that law Califoria would not be a sanctuary state if they actually cared about enforcing laws.
- wat10000 3mo agoWhy would a state enforce federal law?
- WillPostForFood 3mo ago[flagged]
- wat10000 3mo agoLawsuits are part of the law, not thwarting the law. Refusing notifications and holds is inaction, the opposite of “actively.”
- WillPostForFood 3mo agopedantic. You can use lawsuits, within the law, to thwart the law. You can do it knowing you will lose, just to cause delays, like Califorinia and the 9th circuit are ACTIVELY doing to slowdown gun control cases from reaching the supreme court where they 100% will be struck down. Refusing notification is an action.
- wat10000 3mo agoIf you see someone speeding and you don’t report it to the police, does that mean you are ACTIVELY thwarting the law?
- Joker_vD 3mo agoThe US legal system never ceases to amaze me. Why indeed should a state enforce a law? Like, one of those anti-discrimination laws?
- wat10000 3mo agoWhy should it enforce a law from a separate sovereign entity, is the question. And the answer is, it shouldn’t. I don’t think states do, or should, enforce federal anti-discrimination laws. The feds do that. The states pass their own anti-discrimination laws if they want something to enforce themselves.
- amanaplanacanal 3mo agoHistorically, the states never would have come together to create the United States if they had to give up all of their own sovereignty. The constitution is full of compromises.
- SpicyLemonZest 3mo agoWe used to ban the undesirable action! Then DEFCAD got that ban overturned, convincing the federal government that they have a First Amendment right to publish 3D-printable firearm plans. So now our choices are to allow widespread 3D printed firearms (which I and many others won't accept) or restrict the means by which they can be made. I genuinely do wish the DEFCAD folks had made different choices that would not have led us here.
- xbar 3mo agoDo you think DEFCAD will get this overturned, too?
- SpicyLemonZest 3mo agoCertainly not on First Amendment grounds, and in general I expect powerful AI will quite imminently make people more sympathetic to random manufacturing restrictions on potentially dangerous goods. I can imagine 2A arguments against any regulation that's specifically preventing the use of X for gun manufacturing, but my weakly held best guess is that they wouldn't be persuasive here.
- simoncion 3mo ago> ...our choices are to allow widespread 3D printed firearms... Which parts of a firearm can be printed in a consumer-grade 3D printer? Be as specific as your knowledge permits. Of those that cannot, how much money does one have to spend in order to purchase a 3D printer that is capable of printing those parts that cannot be printed by a consumer-grade printer? Are you aware of "slam fire" firearms? If you were not, you owe it to yourself to learn how to make a functional "slam fire" shotgun. The tutorials are pretty widespread.
- SpicyLemonZest 3mo agoI'm aware of "slam fire" firearms and know why and how it's easy to produce them. They're much less concerning to me because their rate of fire is extremely slow. I don't know the details of what can be printed in a consumer-grade printer, not having performed firearms manufacturing myself, but I've seen things claiming to be pretty complete kits and it seems to me that most components should be possible. Barrels of any reasonable length might be hard, perhaps firing pins too. (And springs, but of course those are trivial to manufacture by hand.) If it's not actually possible to 3D print an effective gun, perhaps someone should make that argument in detail.
- jcgrillo 3mo agoYou can make all of those things. First you pick up two sticks and rub them together real good (maybe use the inner bark of a hickory tree or similar to make some cordage s.t. you can make a bow drill and rub them even better.. you may find cottonwood to your liking but I did it with green maple when I was 11 so if you can't lmao look inwards). Using the little coal you've created, build a fire. Now pile a bunch of wood on it and starve it for oxygen. Great, you've created charcoal. Now skin a big animal and make bellows from its hide. Now build a big fire and blast it with the bellows to make it rull friggen hot. Put some rocks in it that have iron in them. Collect the iron from the bottom of the fire (exercise left to the reader) into a stone tub. Build a few forms using wood, sand, and wax in the shapes of the various parts a lathe. Melt the iron in the stone tub and pour it into the forms. Scrape the mating surfaces of the lathe parts flat and clean with a hard stone. They cannot take this shit away. It's futile.
- SoftTalker 3mo agoIn fact, right up front in TFA they point out that California already bans manufacturing firearms without a license. This 3D printer regulation is entirely duplicative and unnecessary.
- 15155 3mo agoWhich definitely fails Bruen.