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Marxism, communism and socialism are all extreme far-left ideologies. Being anti-immigration doesn't automatically swing the party to the right. As written on

Marxism, communism and socialism are all extreme far-left ideologies. Being anti-immigration doesn't automatically swing the party to the right. As written on Wikipedia, "left-conservative" is probably the best label. The Swedish far-left loves to, for instance, brand the governing party in Denmark as far-right, but they are actually also left-conservative. It is possible (shocker) to be liberal and progressive, whilst also being pro-assimilation, pro-deportation, anti-immigration.

rationalist 3mo ago
In the U.S., before Trump was elected, immigration control and deportating illegal immigrants were things that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ("left" politicians) campaigned on.
- rationalist 3mo ago
  I guess emotions/politics are more important than facts? A very quick search yielded this short clip of Hillary Clinton: https://youtube.com/shorts/Zsq32nNjNoE https://youtube.com/shorts/Zsq32nNjNoE (no endorsement of overlays/etc intended, just the first result in the search)
gpm 3mo ago
> Marxism, communism and socialism are all extreme far-left ideologies. Yes, but the behavior in that quote, cutting social services, is none of the above. Using language associated with far left movements while promoting far right policies leaves you as a far right party. > Being anti-immigration doesn't automatically swing the party to the right Literally nothing in the quote I quoted is about immigration (though they hit that checkbox as well and it absolutely does swing you to the right).
- ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
  > cutting social services By providing free healthcare and dental care or at least reducing out of pocket costs?
creaturemachine 3mo ago
National Socialism in a nutshell.
int_19h 3mo ago
I find it amusing that westerners are only now discovering that left wing politicians can be not just authoritarian but socially conservative as hell. USSR notably banned abortions for 20 years under Stalin, and homosexual intercourse for most of its existence.
- handedness 3mo ago
  Just wait until people hear about that Che fellow!

rationalist 3mo ago

In the U.S., before Trump was elected, immigration control and deportating illegal immigrants were things that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ("left" politicians) campaigned on.

rationalist 3mo ago
I guess emotions/politics are more important than facts? A very quick search yielded this short clip of Hillary Clinton: https://youtube.com/shorts/Zsq32nNjNoE https://youtube.com/shorts/Zsq32nNjNoE (no endorsement of overlays/etc intended, just the first result in the search)

gpm 3mo ago

> Marxism, communism and socialism are all extreme far-left ideologies. Yes, but the behavior in that quote, cutting social services, is none of the above. Using language associated with far left movements while promoting far right policies leaves you as a far right party. > Being anti-immigration doesn't automatically swing the party to the right Literally nothing in the quote I quoted is about immigration (though they hit that checkbox as well and it absolutely does swing you to the right).

ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
> cutting social services By providing free healthcare and dental care or at least reducing out of pocket costs?

creaturemachine 3mo ago

National Socialism in a nutshell.

int_19h 3mo ago

I find it amusing that westerners are only now discovering that left wing politicians can be not just authoritarian but socially conservative as hell. USSR notably banned abortions for 20 years under Stalin, and homosexual intercourse for most of its existence.

handedness 3mo ago
Just wait until people hear about that Che fellow!