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by AzzyHN 3mo ago

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londons_explore 3mo ago
That is up for the copyright owner to enforce or not to enforce. Until they decide, we can't know if it's illegal or not - who knows, this site might have a license.
- KeplerBoy 3mo ago
  It's not legal just because the copyright owner doesn't immediately sue you.
  - simondotau 3mo ago
    If a copyright infringement falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, did it make a sound?
  - account42 3mo ago
    Technically it isn't illegal until the copyright holder decides not to grant (retroactive) permission.
- rvz 3mo ago
  It's quite dangerous to make unsubstantiated comments and assumptions on US copyright law without the proper research. Valve still owns the copyright to the game and just because they won't do anything now does not mean it is legal to redistribute it without their consent, especially when we know that the game is still being sold. [0] They (Valve) reserve the right to enforce that and this site clearly does not have such a "license" and haven't disclosed as such. Why would you expect Valve to be in discussions with a 15 year old to redistribute the game for free? So just say you do not know. [0] https://store.steampowered.com/app/220/HalfLife_2/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/220/HalfLife_2/
  - Ukv 3mo ago
    > just because they won't do anything now does not mean it is legal to redistribute it without their consent I don't think the parent comment is claiming it's legal, other than the (unlikely) chance that this is licensed, just that it's up to Valve to enforce and not really our concern. A lot of cool things (like the similar https://noclip.website/ https://noclip.website/) are prima facie copyright infringement.
    - nhinck2 3mo ago
      > we can't know if it's illegal or not I think we can.
      - Ukv 3mo ago
        We can guess this is unlicensed, and likely be right, but whether it gets taken down is up to Valve.
      - xeyownt 3mo ago
        And I think we don't care.
  - account42 3mo ago
    > Why would you expect Valve to be in discussions with a 15 year old to redistribute the game for free? Because projects like this are free publicity and don't actually compete with the product sold on Steam.
- Cthulhu_ 3mo ago
  A crime is a crime even before a judge rules over it. Sure, innocent until proven guilty, but most people know when they're doing something wrong and then don't do it. Of course, this is a lot more grey area for copyright violations etc because it's a civil matter.
  - __alexs 3mo ago
    What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
    - zygentoma 3mo ago
      "Innocent until proven guilty" concerns whether someone did a crime, not whether something is a crime. An action can clearly be a crime, but it might be unclear if you did that action.
      - __alexs 3mo ago
        Only our legal institutions and the frameworks they create can decide if any specific act is a crime.
      - dctoedt 3mo ago
        > "Innocent until proven guilty" concerns whether someone did a crime See my upthread comment: "Innocent until proven guilty" is catchy but false.
  - dctoedt 3mo ago
    > innocent until proven guilty Pithy but untrue. The verbose-but-correct statement is about procedural prerequisites: Government officials are forbidden to imprison or fine you until your guilt is proved, to an impartial and properly-instructed jury in a fair trial, beyond a reasonable doubt. (The Scots have the better formulation for criminal cases: Guilty, or not proved.) Illustration: OJ Simpson was found not guilty [sic] in his criminal trial. So he couldn't be imprisoned. But then a different jury found — under the lower, preponderance of the evidence standard — that Simpson did indeed murder his ex-wife and the other guy. The latter case was the civil action for wrongful death, brought by the survivors of his victims. The survivors won a $33.5M verdict. Simpson's assets were seized, and sold at a court-ordered auction, to pay the judgment — including his Heisman Trophy.
crote 3mo ago
Valve already gave Half-Life 2 away for free, and released the source code of the HL1 engine. Is it technically illegal? Yeah, but Valve isn't losing out on any money, and there's no way they're going to risk the negative PR blowback they'd get for a takedown. Besides, IP law is dead. The rise of AI made it pretty clear that you can steal literally anything without consequences.
- dminik 3mo ago
  GoldSrc (HL1 engine) is very much not open source (or even source available). There's at least one open source remake (which is possibly illegal due to using the SDK) but no official release.
  - crote 3mo ago
    https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife is the HL1 engine, is it not?
    - bpye 3mo ago
      That's just the SDK - which does include the game code but not the engine. Xash3D is the reverse engineered engine alluded to above.
- flordaman 3mo ago
  No no, you can't steal anything without consequences, only big corperations who are making slop machines(tm) can.
  - account42 3mo ago
    Turns out "too big to fail" doesn't just apply to reckless financial behavior.
- nba456_ 3mo ago
  >Besides, IP law is dead. The rise of AI made it pretty clear that you can steal literally anything without consequences. God, AI keeps making life better than I could've ever imagined!
account42 3mo ago
This project seems perfectly congruent with current year industry standards regarding copyright, which are to move fast and lobby for permission later.

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by AzzyHN 3mo ago

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That is up for the copyright owner to enforce or not to enforce. Until they decide, we can't know if it's illegal or not - who knows, this site might have a license.

KeplerBoy 3mo ago
It's not legal just because the copyright owner doesn't immediately sue you.
- simondotau 3mo ago
  If a copyright infringement falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, did it make a sound?
- account42 3mo ago
  Technically it isn't illegal until the copyright holder decides not to grant (retroactive) permission.
rvz 3mo ago
It's quite dangerous to make unsubstantiated comments and assumptions on US copyright law without the proper research. Valve still owns the copyright to the game and just because they won't do anything now does not mean it is legal to redistribute it without their consent, especially when we know that the game is still being sold. [0] They (Valve) reserve the right to enforce that and this site clearly does not have such a "license" and haven't disclosed as such. Why would you expect Valve to be in discussions with a 15 year old to redistribute the game for free? So just say you do not know. [0] https://store.steampowered.com/app/220/HalfLife_2/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/220/HalfLife_2/
- Ukv 3mo ago
  > just because they won't do anything now does not mean it is legal to redistribute it without their consent I don't think the parent comment is claiming it's legal, other than the (unlikely) chance that this is licensed, just that it's up to Valve to enforce and not really our concern. A lot of cool things (like the similar https://noclip.website/ https://noclip.website/) are prima facie copyright infringement.
  - nhinck2 3mo ago
    > we can't know if it's illegal or not I think we can.
    - Ukv 3mo ago
      We can guess this is unlicensed, and likely be right, but whether it gets taken down is up to Valve.
    - xeyownt 3mo ago
      And I think we don't care.
- account42 3mo ago
  > Why would you expect Valve to be in discussions with a 15 year old to redistribute the game for free? Because projects like this are free publicity and don't actually compete with the product sold on Steam.
Cthulhu_ 3mo ago
A crime is a crime even before a judge rules over it. Sure, innocent until proven guilty, but most people know when they're doing something wrong and then don't do it. Of course, this is a lot more grey area for copyright violations etc because it's a civil matter.
- __alexs 3mo ago
  What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
  - zygentoma 3mo ago
    "Innocent until proven guilty" concerns whether someone did a crime, not whether something is a crime. An action can clearly be a crime, but it might be unclear if you did that action.
    - __alexs 3mo ago
      Only our legal institutions and the frameworks they create can decide if any specific act is a crime.
    - dctoedt 3mo ago
      > "Innocent until proven guilty" concerns whether someone did a crime See my upthread comment: "Innocent until proven guilty" is catchy but false.
- dctoedt 3mo ago
  > innocent until proven guilty Pithy but untrue. The verbose-but-correct statement is about procedural prerequisites: Government officials are forbidden to imprison or fine you until your guilt is proved, to an impartial and properly-instructed jury in a fair trial, beyond a reasonable doubt. (The Scots have the better formulation for criminal cases: Guilty, or not proved.) Illustration: OJ Simpson was found not guilty [sic] in his criminal trial. So he couldn't be imprisoned. But then a different jury found — under the lower, preponderance of the evidence standard — that Simpson did indeed murder his ex-wife and the other guy. The latter case was the civil action for wrongful death, brought by the survivors of his victims. The survivors won a $33.5M verdict. Simpson's assets were seized, and sold at a court-ordered auction, to pay the judgment — including his Heisman Trophy.

crote 3mo ago

Valve already gave Half-Life 2 away for free, and released the source code of the HL1 engine. Is it technically illegal? Yeah, but Valve isn't losing out on any money, and there's no way they're going to risk the negative PR blowback they'd get for a takedown. Besides, IP law is dead. The rise of AI made it pretty clear that you can steal literally anything without consequences.

dminik 3mo ago
GoldSrc (HL1 engine) is very much not open source (or even source available). There's at least one open source remake (which is possibly illegal due to using the SDK) but no official release.
- crote 3mo ago
  https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife is the HL1 engine, is it not?
  - bpye 3mo ago
    That's just the SDK - which does include the game code but not the engine. Xash3D is the reverse engineered engine alluded to above.
flordaman 3mo ago
No no, you can't steal anything without consequences, only big corperations who are making slop machines(tm) can.
- account42 3mo ago
  Turns out "too big to fail" doesn't just apply to reckless financial behavior.
nba456_ 3mo ago
>Besides, IP law is dead. The rise of AI made it pretty clear that you can steal literally anything without consequences. God, AI keeps making life better than I could've ever imagined!

account42 3mo ago

This project seems perfectly congruent with current year industry standards regarding copyright, which are to move fast and lobby for permission later.