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Yeah, so was building moon rockets.

simoncion 3mo ago
Looking at how Blue Origin is doing, it seems that that's still true.
Groxx 3mo ago
I don't think anyone (not insane) actually doubted we could reach the moon, they were just unsure how much money it'd take per launch, and if it'd ever be worth it. Because we had already reached orbit, "add more fuel" is essentially a guaranteed success, if infinite money is allowed - at worst you do it in multiple launches and join up the parts in space. 2, 10, 1000, it'll eventually succeed, there's no reason to believe it wouldn't. Reaching another star? Definitely more expensive, but entirely feasible if we all got our shit together and decided it was going to happen. Medical stuff though? Humans are complicated, and there are practically no guaranteed routes, regardless of money (currently).
- m4rtink 3mo ago
  Well, don't forget the Soviets gave up in the end with their N1 rocket.
- kakacik 3mo ago
  Yet the chance of saving human lives en masse and permanently advancing knowledge of our own bodies should be more important than ticking a checkbox of walking on the moon and then shelving whole thing for good (that comes from person who loves astronomy etc but there are simply way more important matters in society). We iteratively succeeded against AIDS ffs, that looked like impossible mission in 80s and 90s, we just threw more science and research on the problem. Your arguments are not that good
SideQuark 3mo ago
That's not a reason. That's an anecdote, a post selected and cherry picked example. Is this truly how you'd allocate resources? A more correct way to use reason is to look at all possible things that have been proposed that cost $500m, and see how those turn out in general. Then possibly weight using expert knowledge about this particular problem and the possible benefits. Then consider what the opportunity cost is, i.e., what you give up by spending $500m here instead of something else. Trite armchair rebuttals are not convincing.

Looking at how Blue Origin is doing, it seems that that's still true.

Groxx 3mo ago

I don't think anyone (not insane) actually doubted we could reach the moon, they were just unsure how much money it'd take per launch, and if it'd ever be worth it. Because we had already reached orbit, "add more fuel" is essentially a guaranteed success, if infinite money is allowed - at worst you do it in multiple launches and join up the parts in space. 2, 10, 1000, it'll eventually succeed, there's no reason to believe it wouldn't. Reaching another star? Definitely more expensive, but entirely feasible if we all got our shit together and decided it was going to happen. Medical stuff though? Humans are complicated, and there are practically no guaranteed routes, regardless of money (currently).

m4rtink 3mo ago
Well, don't forget the Soviets gave up in the end with their N1 rocket.
kakacik 3mo ago
Yet the chance of saving human lives en masse and permanently advancing knowledge of our own bodies should be more important than ticking a checkbox of walking on the moon and then shelving whole thing for good (that comes from person who loves astronomy etc but there are simply way more important matters in society). We iteratively succeeded against AIDS ffs, that looked like impossible mission in 80s and 90s, we just threw more science and research on the problem. Your arguments are not that good

SideQuark 3mo ago

That's not a reason. That's an anecdote, a post selected and cherry picked example. Is this truly how you'd allocate resources? A more correct way to use reason is to look at all possible things that have been proposed that cost $500m, and see how those turn out in general. Then possibly weight using expert knowledge about this particular problem and the possible benefits. Then consider what the opportunity cost is, i.e., what you give up by spending $500m here instead of something else. Trite armchair rebuttals are not convincing.