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Deaths should not fall randomly across the population unless you’re committing war crimes.

jameshilliard 3mo ago
Deaths in Gaza are very much not random. Adult men have the highest casualties which is what would be expected since Hamas militants are most often adult men, it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well.
- joxdosba 3mo ago
  > it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well. Cruel Israeli oppression motivates even children to resist them. Israel then murders said children. Obviously Hamas must be to blame for Israeli actions.
  - HDThoreaun 3mo ago
    I mean yea... If youre a child soldier you should expect to be targeted, even if your cause is valiant.
  - jameshilliard 3mo ago
    > Cruel Israeli oppression motivates even children to resist them. More like Hamas/UNRWA schools teach children to be terrorists.
    - joxdosba 3mo ago
      Why is it that most of the world despises the Israelis, despite them not having gone to Hamas/UNRWA schools?
      - gryzzly 3mo ago
        Successful anti-israel propaganda based on kgb-demoralization (west bad, "white privilige" etc.) https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/ https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/ sponsored by Iran’s oil money. Mobbing against Israel by Arab and their socialist friend states in the UN.
- DeusExMachina 3mo ago
  > Adult men have the highest casualties And 30% of casualties are children. The two are not mutually exclusive and this is the data point currently under scrutiny.
- flossly 3mo ago
  Adult men are also the ones first to head out to retrieve food from dangerous places. > it's well documented It's well documented that food distribution places were specifically made dangerous.
someguyornotidk 3mo ago
This is common sense. It's astonishing that this needs to be explicitly stated on a site like this. That's not to say that 30% isn't a crime against humanity. About 1.5 million children were murdered during the Holocaust (1.5M of 6M+ deaths). Israel murders more children than adults when compared to the Nazis.
borolaj 3mo ago
I agree, however the claim is not war crimes, its genocide. People think that using genocide to simply mean lots of killing and destruction and war makes them morally superior, but genocide entails "intent" and we need a vocabulary to differentiate between the two.
- DeusExMachina 3mo ago
  Overall, intent is quite hard to prove. You would need to access internal documents and communications that explicitly direct the military. That's probably not going to happen. However, from what I have observed, Israeli government officials have often expresses that intent publicly, despite claiming otherwise at the UN.
  - suburban_strike 3mo ago
    In this case it is fundamentally impossible, since halakha prohibits deliberate targeting of civilians-- but not collateral damage. So if you optimize for collateral damage and all civilian casualties are "accidental," then you are wholly operating within the constraints of your moral framework and can plausibly deny all claims of genocidal intent.
- olelele 3mo ago
  I am sorry but did you look at pictures of Gaza? Do you not see them actually CONCENTRATING the previously 2 million people there into a gigantic CAMP?
  - gryzzly 3mo ago
    https://www.instagram.com/gazayoudontsee https://www.instagram.com/gazayoudontsee

Deaths in Gaza are very much not random. Adult men have the highest casualties which is what would be expected since Hamas militants are most often adult men, it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well.

joxdosba 3mo ago
> it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well. Cruel Israeli oppression motivates even children to resist them. Israel then murders said children. Obviously Hamas must be to blame for Israeli actions.
- HDThoreaun 3mo ago
  I mean yea... If youre a child soldier you should expect to be targeted, even if your cause is valiant.
- jameshilliard 3mo ago
  > Cruel Israeli oppression motivates even children to resist them. More like Hamas/UNRWA schools teach children to be terrorists.
  - joxdosba 3mo ago
    Why is it that most of the world despises the Israelis, despite them not having gone to Hamas/UNRWA schools?
    - gryzzly 3mo ago
      Successful anti-israel propaganda based on kgb-demoralization (west bad, "white privilige" etc.) https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/ https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/ sponsored by Iran’s oil money. Mobbing against Israel by Arab and their socialist friend states in the UN.
DeusExMachina 3mo ago
> Adult men have the highest casualties And 30% of casualties are children. The two are not mutually exclusive and this is the data point currently under scrutiny.
flossly 3mo ago
Adult men are also the ones first to head out to retrieve food from dangerous places. > it's well documented It's well documented that food distribution places were specifically made dangerous.

someguyornotidk 3mo ago

This is common sense. It's astonishing that this needs to be explicitly stated on a site like this. That's not to say that 30% isn't a crime against humanity. About 1.5 million children were murdered during the Holocaust (1.5M of 6M+ deaths). Israel murders more children than adults when compared to the Nazis.

borolaj 3mo ago

I agree, however the claim is not war crimes, its genocide. People think that using genocide to simply mean lots of killing and destruction and war makes them morally superior, but genocide entails "intent" and we need a vocabulary to differentiate between the two.

DeusExMachina 3mo ago
Overall, intent is quite hard to prove. You would need to access internal documents and communications that explicitly direct the military. That's probably not going to happen. However, from what I have observed, Israeli government officials have often expresses that intent publicly, despite claiming otherwise at the UN.
- suburban_strike 3mo ago
  In this case it is fundamentally impossible, since halakha prohibits deliberate targeting of civilians-- but not collateral damage. So if you optimize for collateral damage and all civilian casualties are "accidental," then you are wholly operating within the constraints of your moral framework and can plausibly deny all claims of genocidal intent.
olelele 3mo ago
I am sorry but did you look at pictures of Gaza? Do you not see them actually CONCENTRATING the previously 2 million people there into a gigantic CAMP?
- gryzzly 3mo ago
  https://www.instagram.com/gazayoudontsee https://www.instagram.com/gazayoudontsee