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I'm not sure how I'm supposed to get $200 of value out of personal use!

LPisGood 3mo ago
Note that 200 dollars of value is different than 200 dollars of profit.
devmor 3mo ago
I personally don’t find it that useful for most tasks, but if say, you get paid $50/hr for your work and it saves you more than 4 hours of work in a month, there you go.
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- selcuka 3mo ago
  Obviously this assumes that you can find 4+ extra hours of $50/hr work every month, or you can work 4 hours less. Neither of these assumptions is correct for people who work for a fixed salary.
  - devmor 3mo ago
    That doesn’t change value. It’s value whether or not you can maintain a profit over it.
    - selcuka 3mo ago
      That's the definition of "value" in a broad, economics sense but I don't think it applies to the parent comment of this thread: > I'm not sure how I'm supposed to get $200 of value out of personal use!
      - devmor 3mo ago
        If you are not working paycheck to paycheck, but still need to commit that time to work, you may prefer $200 worth of free time that you otherwise could not have - that is my general point of view there.
  - windexh8er 3mo ago
    I think this is the rub the enterprise will be forced to grapple with. Not everyone is going to get $200 worth of value for the organization. In fact since it's not a restricted tool some will waste time and company resources using it. Undoubtedly some will get the value out of it, but it's very likely, that these are the same people providing more than what they're paid already. Nothing has changed other than, potentially, time savings and (hopefully) output improvement. Neither of those are any sort of guarantee though, either. Subjective systems are hard to show value, especially in the long term.
holoduke 3mo ago
Here most of my colleagues have +200 dollar rates. It's really a no brainer. But sure, in south America or some Asian countries maybe it is. But still most devs need it anyway. Also in the poor regions.
- folkrav 3mo ago
  Most of the world's developers, even in not-poor regions, make significantly less than what your colleagues charge.
- HDBaseT 3mo ago
  $200/h is on the extreme end and I would argue most people here aren't anywhere close to that. The median hourly wage in the US is $28/h, this equates to nearly 7.5 hours. A full day of work a month for the average person to use Claude with reasonable limits. Yes, the people on $28/h may not be the software development types, so their income might not be as high, but these are the people who would probably be vibe coding the most since they aren't day to day programmers!
  - ray_kay777 3mo ago
    I suspect the reply above is referring to charge out rates rather than wages.
    - HDBaseT 3mo ago
      My fault, thanks for the correction (:
- Kuxe 3mo ago
  In Sweden $200 is ~5% of average programmer monthly income after tax. $200/h rate is not a representative salary for SEs in South America, Asian countries nor Europe. If you're running a business I agree it's a no-brainer, but the context here is for personal projects.
  - holoduke 3mo ago

Note that 200 dollars of value is different than 200 dollars of profit.

I personally don’t find it that useful for most tasks, but if say, you get paid $50/hr for your work and it saves you more than 4 hours of work in a month, there you go.

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selcuka 3mo ago
Obviously this assumes that you can find 4+ extra hours of $50/hr work every month, or you can work 4 hours less. Neither of these assumptions is correct for people who work for a fixed salary.
- devmor 3mo ago
  That doesn’t change value. It’s value whether or not you can maintain a profit over it.
  - selcuka 3mo ago
    That's the definition of "value" in a broad, economics sense but I don't think it applies to the parent comment of this thread: > I'm not sure how I'm supposed to get $200 of value out of personal use!
    - devmor 3mo ago
      If you are not working paycheck to paycheck, but still need to commit that time to work, you may prefer $200 worth of free time that you otherwise could not have - that is my general point of view there.
- windexh8er 3mo ago
  I think this is the rub the enterprise will be forced to grapple with. Not everyone is going to get $200 worth of value for the organization. In fact since it's not a restricted tool some will waste time and company resources using it. Undoubtedly some will get the value out of it, but it's very likely, that these are the same people providing more than what they're paid already. Nothing has changed other than, potentially, time savings and (hopefully) output improvement. Neither of those are any sort of guarantee though, either. Subjective systems are hard to show value, especially in the long term.

holoduke 3mo ago

Here most of my colleagues have +200 dollar rates. It's really a no brainer. But sure, in south America or some Asian countries maybe it is. But still most devs need it anyway. Also in the poor regions.

folkrav 3mo ago
Most of the world's developers, even in not-poor regions, make significantly less than what your colleagues charge.
HDBaseT 3mo ago
$200/h is on the extreme end and I would argue most people here aren't anywhere close to that. The median hourly wage in the US is $28/h, this equates to nearly 7.5 hours. A full day of work a month for the average person to use Claude with reasonable limits. Yes, the people on $28/h may not be the software development types, so their income might not be as high, but these are the people who would probably be vibe coding the most since they aren't day to day programmers!
- ray_kay777 3mo ago
  I suspect the reply above is referring to charge out rates rather than wages.
  - HDBaseT 3mo ago
    My fault, thanks for the correction (:
Kuxe 3mo ago
In Sweden $200 is ~5% of average programmer monthly income after tax. $200/h rate is not a representative salary for SEs in South America, Asian countries nor Europe. If you're running a business I agree it's a no-brainer, but the context here is for personal projects.
- holoduke 3mo ago