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> Most of the things that can be remedied with money are not the truly painful things of life either. Have you done the math of what life consists of for most

> Most of the things that can be remedied with money are not the truly painful things of life either. Have you done the math of what life consists of for most people? It's 9-to-5. Your life is DOMINATED - by large order of magnitude - by involuntary wage slavery. Where you literally sell away your time for pennies on a dollar to a highest bidder. That is the most painful thing in life, bar none, there is nothing worse than this. This is what ruins most of your health, ages you the most, causes most of the stress, which seperates you from spending more time with your family and loved ones and being free and doing what you want. Unless the wage-slavery happens to be of enjoyable type for you. Which is bit of an outlier, lets be honest. > From having no respect from your peers? Most people automatically give respect and admiration to people with money, regardless if it's deserved or not. > Will money save you from heartache? From being lonely? Being a 9-to-5 wage-slave is ten times worse than heartache or loneliness. Or most other things. If you're lonely and aren't able to distract yourself from heartache and you have boatloads money, you have SKILL ISSUES of the most severe kind. Money has brought nothing, but pure joy in my life.

naishoya 3mo ago
This, all day long... 9-5 is just the first job of the day if we're lucky. Then there's the 7 to 2am second job, the 5 to 7 on Saturdays and Every Other Sunday. Just to not actually have health insurance which is accepted at anything but the worst health care facilities in the region, with a 6 month waitlist for basic check-ups and a 60% fails or cancel for those appointments and reschedule 3 or more months away. We are all ONE semi-serious illness or injury away from living out of a shopping cart under an overpass. Money isn't the cure to ALL problems, but if the only problems you have left are the ones that cannot be solved by money, quit whining about being luckier than practically and statistically EVERYONE else. It is unbecoming and makes you look the fool.
- trollbridge 3mo ago
  Exactly where is this dystopia you speak of? It certainly isn't the case where I live right now (in the U.S.)
  - naishoya 3mo ago
    It might be closer to you than you think. How far from the nearest Walmart Superstore do you live? Ask the cashier/clerk there and at your local gas station if if they can afford to live anywhere but with their parents or a handful of roommates. Visit a chain food establishment where a lunch for two costs less than $40, and talk to the back-of-house staff; the ones washing dishes and cooking food. Ask them about retirement fund plans and employee provided health insurance options. If you're fortunate enough to live farther away from these parts of the American economic realities, I would expect that 20 to 40 minutes drive on a freeway can get you pretty close to it. If you don't go to those places; ask your Door Dash or Uber Eats driver about why they drive instead of working at those stores... and pay them with a C-note for taking the time to help broaden your perspective. Try looking at the view of current America through the eyes of someone who is non-white, non-male, non-tech or tech-adjacent. It's a stark contrast to the sanitized view from the isles of Trader Joe's, Whole Foods, Erewhon, or PCC and from Sweetgreen, Cava, and the True Food Kitchen. Im not talking from a small sample set of anecdotal observations over a short period of time, but from a wide consensus of travel, first hand interactions, and living experience. In different states, over a 35 year working history, in a variety of situations, and direct relationships with a much larger than average network of family members. I have over one hundred cousins - not counting spouses, their children and grandchildren, on each of my patriarchal and matriarchal sides. Not joking, my ancestors have been here, on the ground, since the Clovis era (between 9000 and 13000 years ago in the Rocky Mountains) and the early 1630's - one of my direct forefathers was a Colonel who reported directly to Washington. So I have every reason to wish the country was living up to it's stated intentions and potentials. It simply isn't, not recently, but also not for a VERY long time before now. The conditions I describe are the lived experience of many Americans, and appear to have played an outsized role in the results for the nation today. Maybe, I'm wasting my keystrokes - username trollbridge might be the clue that this is an argumentative tone question without any real intention of truthful discourse. In that case, consider this response for the benefit of the broader HN community. We all need get outside our own bubbles, and find ways to uplift the people who do the work we rely on and provide support for the community in ways which are not being delivered by the system. It's not ok to pretend to not need a functioning society to thrive in.
elxr 3mo ago
Well said. This place has too many people who have never seen true poverty and people with the life drained out of them working shitty jobs just to be able to eat. Money has also directly lead to more happiness in my life. In fact, it's almost a direct relationship. The biggest impact isn't in the material objects it has allowed be to buy, but in the freedom it provides to self-actualize, to pursue activities and build skills that would've been near impossible if it weren't for money.

naishoya 3mo ago

This, all day long... 9-5 is just the first job of the day if we're lucky. Then there's the 7 to 2am second job, the 5 to 7 on Saturdays and Every Other Sunday. Just to not actually have health insurance which is accepted at anything but the worst health care facilities in the region, with a 6 month waitlist for basic check-ups and a 60% fails or cancel for those appointments and reschedule 3 or more months away. We are all ONE semi-serious illness or injury away from living out of a shopping cart under an overpass. Money isn't the cure to ALL problems, but if the only problems you have left are the ones that cannot be solved by money, quit whining about being luckier than practically and statistically EVERYONE else. It is unbecoming and makes you look the fool.

trollbridge 3mo ago
Exactly where is this dystopia you speak of? It certainly isn't the case where I live right now (in the U.S.)
- naishoya 3mo ago
  It might be closer to you than you think. How far from the nearest Walmart Superstore do you live? Ask the cashier/clerk there and at your local gas station if if they can afford to live anywhere but with their parents or a handful of roommates. Visit a chain food establishment where a lunch for two costs less than $40, and talk to the back-of-house staff; the ones washing dishes and cooking food. Ask them about retirement fund plans and employee provided health insurance options. If you're fortunate enough to live farther away from these parts of the American economic realities, I would expect that 20 to 40 minutes drive on a freeway can get you pretty close to it. If you don't go to those places; ask your Door Dash or Uber Eats driver about why they drive instead of working at those stores... and pay them with a C-note for taking the time to help broaden your perspective. Try looking at the view of current America through the eyes of someone who is non-white, non-male, non-tech or tech-adjacent. It's a stark contrast to the sanitized view from the isles of Trader Joe's, Whole Foods, Erewhon, or PCC and from Sweetgreen, Cava, and the True Food Kitchen. Im not talking from a small sample set of anecdotal observations over a short period of time, but from a wide consensus of travel, first hand interactions, and living experience. In different states, over a 35 year working history, in a variety of situations, and direct relationships with a much larger than average network of family members. I have over one hundred cousins - not counting spouses, their children and grandchildren, on each of my patriarchal and matriarchal sides. Not joking, my ancestors have been here, on the ground, since the Clovis era (between 9000 and 13000 years ago in the Rocky Mountains) and the early 1630's - one of my direct forefathers was a Colonel who reported directly to Washington. So I have every reason to wish the country was living up to it's stated intentions and potentials. It simply isn't, not recently, but also not for a VERY long time before now. The conditions I describe are the lived experience of many Americans, and appear to have played an outsized role in the results for the nation today. Maybe, I'm wasting my keystrokes - username trollbridge might be the clue that this is an argumentative tone question without any real intention of truthful discourse. In that case, consider this response for the benefit of the broader HN community. We all need get outside our own bubbles, and find ways to uplift the people who do the work we rely on and provide support for the community in ways which are not being delivered by the system. It's not ok to pretend to not need a functioning society to thrive in.

elxr 3mo ago

Well said. This place has too many people who have never seen true poverty and people with the life drained out of them working shitty jobs just to be able to eat. Money has also directly lead to more happiness in my life. In fact, it's almost a direct relationship. The biggest impact isn't in the material objects it has allowed be to buy, but in the freedom it provides to self-actualize, to pursue activities and build skills that would've been near impossible if it weren't for money.