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I mean the analogy sounds about right, why downvoting?

by brettermeier 3mo ago

inigyou 3mo ago
How does it
- dwd 3mo ago
  The Covid vaccination should have only been given to those in the population that were most at risk: The elderly and those who were at risk due to comorbidities. 81% of deaths alone occurred in the over 65 population. [1] There's the analogy, it was primarily beneficial for a small group yet for many, particularly Government workers and those in medical care it became a condition of employment that you were vaccinated. [2] There was a lot of pointless policies despite knowing: - Being vaccination did nothing to prevent transmitting Covid, it only gave the vaccinated individual better protection from mortality. [3] - Herd immunity for Covid was known to be impossible once the infection rates got too high with Delta and Omnicron. So trying to vaccinate everyone including children was pointless. [4] - There is Evidence that being vaccinated actually increases transmission of respiratory viruses. You were less likely to get seriously ill, while potentially increasing the risk of passing it on to your family. [5] [1] https://www.cdc.gov/covid/risk-factors/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/covid/risk-factors/index.html [2] https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/1000-nsw-health-workers-sacked-or-quit-after-refusing-to-be-vaccinated-20220114-p59oa8.html https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/1000-nsw-health-workers-... [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/ [4] https://theconversation.com/herd-immunity-was-sold-as-the-path-out-of-the-pandemic-heres-why-were-not-talking-about-it-any-more-183918 https://theconversation.com/herd-immunity-was-sold-as-the-pa... [5] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1716561115 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1716561115
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    IIRC 95% of people had a comorbidity?
fl4regun 3mo ago
it sounds wrong, on the account of I never had my "ability to buy groceries" taken away from me without proving my vaccination status, I've only ever seen it used for travel purposes.
- dwd 3mo ago
  Depends where you lived. There were a few grocery stores in Australia that banned entry without proof of vaccination at the time. It was also widely discussed. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/morrison-businesses-refusing-unvaccinated-customers/100512488 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/morrison-businesses-r... https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/supermarkets-could-exclude-unvaccinated-in-change-to-queensland-jab-rules/news-story/78affdd5d163a50738d0658b89793655 https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/supermar...
  - fl4regun 3mo ago
    both of those appear to be that businesses are allowed to refuse, not forced to refuse. In general, businesses are allowed to refuse business to whomever they want, where the law has exceptions for which things you aren't allowed to discriminate against: religion, race, sex, etc. At least this is how the law works in Canada, I am willing to bet Australia is very similar.
    - dwd 3mo ago
      Yes, very much the same as both countries' laws evolved from Common Law, and have legislated for Human Rights in line with UNESCO.
- brettermeier 3mo ago
  In germany there was a short time period during the pandemic where shops and some grocery stores denied entry without a prove of vaccination. Here's a small headline form that time: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-59501192 https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-59501192

I mean the analogy sounds about right, why downvoting?

inigyou 3mo ago

How does it

dwd 3mo ago
The Covid vaccination should have only been given to those in the population that were most at risk: The elderly and those who were at risk due to comorbidities. 81% of deaths alone occurred in the over 65 population. [1] There's the analogy, it was primarily beneficial for a small group yet for many, particularly Government workers and those in medical care it became a condition of employment that you were vaccinated. [2] There was a lot of pointless policies despite knowing: - Being vaccination did nothing to prevent transmitting Covid, it only gave the vaccinated individual better protection from mortality. [3] - Herd immunity for Covid was known to be impossible once the infection rates got too high with Delta and Omnicron. So trying to vaccinate everyone including children was pointless. [4] - There is Evidence that being vaccinated actually increases transmission of respiratory viruses. You were less likely to get seriously ill, while potentially increasing the risk of passing it on to your family. [5] [1] https://www.cdc.gov/covid/risk-factors/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/covid/risk-factors/index.html [2] https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/1000-nsw-health-workers-sacked-or-quit-after-refusing-to-be-vaccinated-20220114-p59oa8.html https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/1000-nsw-health-workers-... [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/ [4] https://theconversation.com/herd-immunity-was-sold-as-the-path-out-of-the-pandemic-heres-why-were-not-talking-about-it-any-more-183918 https://theconversation.com/herd-immunity-was-sold-as-the-pa... [5] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1716561115 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1716561115
- inigyou 3mo ago
  IIRC 95% of people had a comorbidity?

fl4regun 3mo ago

it sounds wrong, on the account of I never had my "ability to buy groceries" taken away from me without proving my vaccination status, I've only ever seen it used for travel purposes.

dwd 3mo ago
Depends where you lived. There were a few grocery stores in Australia that banned entry without proof of vaccination at the time. It was also widely discussed. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/morrison-businesses-refusing-unvaccinated-customers/100512488 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/morrison-businesses-r... https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/supermarkets-could-exclude-unvaccinated-in-change-to-queensland-jab-rules/news-story/78affdd5d163a50738d0658b89793655 https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/supermar...
- fl4regun 3mo ago
  both of those appear to be that businesses are allowed to refuse, not forced to refuse. In general, businesses are allowed to refuse business to whomever they want, where the law has exceptions for which things you aren't allowed to discriminate against: religion, race, sex, etc. At least this is how the law works in Canada, I am willing to bet Australia is very similar.
  - dwd 3mo ago
    Yes, very much the same as both countries' laws evolved from Common Law, and have legislated for Human Rights in line with UNESCO.
brettermeier 3mo ago
In germany there was a short time period during the pandemic where shops and some grocery stores denied entry without a prove of vaccination. Here's a small headline form that time: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-59501192 https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-59501192