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The issue isn’t the Labour Party it’s the entire country. Brexit has been a disaster, energy costs are through the roof, housing is becoming more costly, and th
by stirlo 3mo ago
The issue isn’t the Labour Party it’s the entire country. Brexit has been a disaster, energy costs are through the roof, housing is becoming more costly, and there’s been no real economic growth in a decade.
But no one wants suffer the temporary pain to make the reforms needed to change it. They just want to grumble and say the current leader isn’t any good before moving onto the next one, rather than admitting they might need to actually accept some change in the country.
- JumpCrisscross 3mo ago> no one wants suffer the temporary pain to make the reforms needed to change it If you could get one bill through Parliament, what would it do?
- Y_Y 3mo agoDisband the UK
- dabeeeenster 3mo agoRejoin the EU, single market, customs union, drop sterling and take the Euro. This would almost certainly start a civil war in the UK (I am not being dramatic) but its what is needed. Brexit was -8% GDP, according to Bank of England.
- ulfw 3mo agoYea no will never happen. Only way into the EU is way you described. Full on Schengen, EUR, no more special UK exceptions etc. Will never fly.
- pjc50 3mo agoEEA like Norway would be both a significant improvement, and does not require Euro. I do think we have to get to the point where we can say that actually Schengen was good and we should have been part of it before we get economically overtaken by Poland.
- asplake 3mo agoMichel Barnier (EU's Brexit negotiator and later PM of France) suggests otherwise. Exclusive: Former chief Brexit negotiator says staying out of euro and Schengen area would be ‘perfectly possible’" https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/uk-could-keep-special-pre-brexit-terms-if-it-rejoined-eu-michel-barnier-says https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/uk-could-ke...
- PunchyHamster 3mo agoOh, no, we don't want you, keep your mess to yourself instead of making it EU's
- pjc50 3mo agoThis wouldn't start a civil war. Many of the Brexit voters are already dead and most of the rest are retired.
- hn_throw2025 3mo agoLovely comment thread. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the “democrats”…
- pjc50 3mo agohttps://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/2016-leave-majority-has-literally-died-out-polling-expert-reveals-401296/ https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/2016-leave-majori...
- hn_throw2025 3mo agoIf you would cast your mind back ten years, I distinctly remember this bitter and callous attitude at the time. Wanting people who disagree with you to "just die out" is profoundly antidemocratic.
- barrkel 3mo agoRepeal Town and Country Planning Act 1947
- pjc50 3mo agoMost of the real power is in the budget, which is technically a bill, but I would 100% go for "change the voting system". Almost anything except D'Hondt is better than FPTP; for simplicity, we could just copy the Scottish Parliament's use of AMS. I would also insert a trapdoor that future changes to the voting system would require the approval of >50% of eligible voters, including non-voters. Yes, I know Parliament cannot bind its successors and all that, but at least I can make it look bad to change it again. Does this solve any of the immediate problems? No. Does it solve the dysfunctionality since 2008? I think so, especially given that polling these days looks like five parties getting 20% of the vote each. Labour themselves came to power on 38% of the vote.
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- rapsey 3mo agoThe grand coalition governments of the EU are not in any way better. They just result in bickering and gridlock because parties that hate each other get stuck in the same room. This is your pet issue, completely based on the grass looking greener on the other side.
- pjc50 3mo agoThe gridlock is real whether it happens inside or outside the party. This is partly why we're here in the first place! Starmer is out because he couldn't do coalition management inside the Labour party.
- gadders 3mo agoHonestly, go back to the Liz Truss plan. She tried to speed run implementation, but policy-wise it was all there.
- rapsey 3mo agoDisagree. Every one of the issues you mentioned is a direct result of labour/tory uniparty ideology. Netzero, endless migrants, insane taxation and so on.
- roenxi 3mo agoThere shouldn't be any temporary pain from bringing energy costs down or letting the economy grow (on a per-capita basis I suppose, politicians do tend to try and cheat with migration). It would be good for everyone, or at worst neutral with wildly rare exceptions who are worse off. Which does make it a bit of a mystery why the UK and a number of other Western polities put up such a determined struggle against the two.
- pjc50 3mo agoPeople are desperate for change! It's just that due to a misinformation fuelled online (and traditional media!) environment, nobody can agree what that is.