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You can only take responsibility if you also have ownership. Large organizations very quickly become like communist state, nobody own anything and any individua
by Chyzwar 3mo ago
You can only take responsibility if you also have ownership. Large organizations very quickly become like communist state, nobody own anything and any individual action is suspicious.
- SwtCyber 3mo agoThe "ask for no" approach works best where the boundaries of ownership are clear. Without that, it becomes much riskier
- rho138 3mo ago*failed communist state In proper function, ownership is an essential identity of any government.
- krapp 3mo agoThe end goal of communism is supposed to be the elimination of government - a stateless, classless and functionally anarchist society. Unsurprisingly no state which ever implemented communism ever took that part seriously.
- epolanski 3mo agoThere's many different communist philosophies.
- karmakurtisaani 3mo agoIndeed, makes all these discussions about communism so pointless.
- gacgacgac 3mo agoThis is the end goal of one form of communism, but certainly not the end goal of communism. Many communists want a strong state and see a single party as desirable.
- GMoromisato 3mo agoI would love to hear an example of a successful communist state. You can even restrict it to a limited period in time (USSR 1959-1968 or something). I promise that I will not try to discredit your answer. I'm just curious what people think. But if you come back with "the communism I have in mind hasn't been tried yet" then I will definitely make fun of your answer.
- gacgacgac 3mo agoWhat is your rubric for successful? And does it shift if that state was the target of wars of aggression or embargoes?
- GMoromisato 3mo agoMy rubric is irrelevant--I promised I wouldn't try to argue against whatever countries got named. I'm just curious what people consider a successful communist country.
- Retric 3mo agoIf you’re open to a wider discussion. Norway's and Alaska’s use of oil wealth to subsidize their population via state ownership of that wealth is very communist in nature. Ancient Rome’s huge grain dole similarly was quite communist in nature: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cura_annonae https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cura_annonae America’s freeing its slave population is similarly redistribution of the means of production to the general population. Which seems strange to modern ears, but the communist manifesto 1848 predates the US civil war 1861–1865.
- GMoromisato 3mo agoI'm not going to disagree with the idea of the state redistributing wealth via taxes/benefits or even nationalized resources (e.g., mineral rights or FCC spectrum). Both have been features of US capitalism almost since the founding. But if you're saying the US is a successful communist country... well, I promised I wouldn't argue.
- 6P58r3MXJSLi 3mo ago> Large organizations very quickly become like communist state here we are again: someone attributing to communism what capitalism is factually based on. https://i.redd.it/46norpbeuut51.jpg https://i.redd.it/46norpbeuut51.jpg > nobody own anything and any individual action is suspicious. do you own anything at your job? again: that's capitalism