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I paid close attention.. and agreed that that particular approach was broken. My question was: what's the argument in favor of using a proprietary electronic s

I paid close attention.. and agreed that that particular approach was broken. My question was: what's the argument in favor of using a proprietary electronic system?

jfengel 3mo ago
I think just the fact that it was the first thing on offer that wasn't the thing they were already using. There are better alternatives, and if legislatures were designed to come up with optimal solutions, we'd probably have use one of them. Instead we have inertia, because the Sainted Holy Founders thought inertia was good for a country, so they optimized legislative branches to be useless.
- xethos 3mo ago
  This is entirely unrelated to your point, but as you brought up the sanctity some Americans hold their founding fathers to: How do some assume the American founding fathers thought ahead, and had it all planned out, with good solutions (instead of merely solutions), ...while also being aware of the Flynn effect?
  - mathgeek 3mo ago
    There are numerous quotes attributed to the founding fathers regarding how future generations would need to update their solutions for the times. As far as how some will assume, some will assume anything that fits their worldview.
  - jfengel 3mo ago
    The ones who most venerate the Founding Fathers are the ones who usually claim that the status quo is good. The status quo can always be attributed as the will of the Fathers. Sometimes that means using a ouija board to assert that some vague passage happens to mean what they want it to mean.
    - caseysoftware 3mo ago
      It's bold to assert that people make up Founder Father's reasoning when just above you claim we use the current electronic voting because: > "I think just the fact that it was the first thing on offer that wasn't the thing they were already using." Instead of just assuming things - aka making things up - you could check. For the Declaration, Articles, and later the Constitution specifically, much of the Founder Father's reasoning and conclusions were well-documented in public via published letters, essays, and speeches at the time. No ouija board necessary.
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- pseudalopex 3mo ago
  > I think just the fact that it was the first thing on offer that wasn't the thing they were already using. It was not.

I paid close attention.. and agreed that that particular approach was broken. My question was: what's the argument in favor of using a proprietary electronic system?

jfengel 3mo ago

I think just the fact that it was the first thing on offer that wasn't the thing they were already using. There are better alternatives, and if legislatures were designed to come up with optimal solutions, we'd probably have use one of them. Instead we have inertia, because the Sainted Holy Founders thought inertia was good for a country, so they optimized legislative branches to be useless.

xethos 3mo ago
This is entirely unrelated to your point, but as you brought up the sanctity some Americans hold their founding fathers to: How do some assume the American founding fathers thought ahead, and had it all planned out, with good solutions (instead of merely solutions), ...while also being aware of the Flynn effect?
- mathgeek 3mo ago
  There are numerous quotes attributed to the founding fathers regarding how future generations would need to update their solutions for the times. As far as how some will assume, some will assume anything that fits their worldview.
- jfengel 3mo ago
  The ones who most venerate the Founding Fathers are the ones who usually claim that the status quo is good. The status quo can always be attributed as the will of the Fathers. Sometimes that means using a ouija board to assert that some vague passage happens to mean what they want it to mean.
  - caseysoftware 3mo ago
    It's bold to assert that people make up Founder Father's reasoning when just above you claim we use the current electronic voting because: > "I think just the fact that it was the first thing on offer that wasn't the thing they were already using." Instead of just assuming things - aka making things up - you could check. For the Declaration, Articles, and later the Constitution specifically, much of the Founder Father's reasoning and conclusions were well-documented in public via published letters, essays, and speeches at the time. No ouija board necessary.
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pseudalopex 3mo ago
> I think just the fact that it was the first thing on offer that wasn't the thing they were already using. It was not.