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The UK genuinely has become the most scary country of all western democracies to me. I can't comprehend how this happened, and is still happening. https://en.w

The UK genuinely has become the most scary country of all western democracies to me. I can't comprehend how this happened, and is still happening. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_sexual_abuse_cases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_sexual_abuse_cases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scan... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit... (This link list is just the tip of an iceberg) And now they changed lanes to fully protect themselves against people who may uncover such cases.

dgroshev 3mo ago
I don't see what's "scary" about this link. It's talking about pretty much standard data processing, Palantir is doing that in the US for many years now.
- elric 3mo ago
  And you're saying that's not scary?
  - dgroshev 3mo ago
    Yes, I'm saying it's a normal part of a functioning country to onboard tech into their law enforcement. If anything it's positive in this case, because it's a domestic effort and not just buying a similar system from Palantir.
Accacin 3mo ago
Yes, the UK is famously unique in having sexual assault against children.
- firebaze 3mo ago
  It's the world leader in disguising it, yes, just after Belgium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux Almost no-one talks about that anymore. It's still mostly unsolved. Children matter, right?
  - monkey_monkey 3mo ago
    Bless your naive over-dramatic heart.
dools 3mo ago
You think the UK is in worse shape politically than the US?
- firebaze 3mo ago
  Yes, by far.
  - gambiting 3mo ago
    Now that's a wild statement - UK at least has a leader who can say a coherent sentence in English, so far.
    - dgellow 3mo ago
      And hasn’t been found guilty of rape, hasn’t attempted a coup, hasn’t triggered the worst oil shock the world ever experienced for literally no reasons, etc
  - dools 3mo ago
    You have roving poorly trained gangs of jackboot federal thugs illegally imprisoning citizens in privately owned gulags and mridering protesters extra judicially. The president is a criminal and a rapist. Him and his entire staff are corrupt self dealing incompetent grifters. He’s put a fox TV host in charge of the army and podcasters in charge of the FBI. The list goes on. It’s a total replication of idiocracy. What right wing social media slop are you consuming that you think the US is in good shape?
Jtarii 3mo ago
The president of the US literally attempted a coup, then was found liable for rape, and then got re-elected, then threatened to invade the European Union, then kidnapped the President of Venezuela, then invaded Iran. How in the fuck is the UK "scarier" than the US. What is this obsession with the UK that americans have?
- firebaze 3mo ago
  How does the US president change the view of the UK? Trump is a moron, reminds me at times of Idiocracy, esp. with UFC cage fights. However, the link to the UK eludes me
  - Jtarii 3mo ago
    >The UK genuinely has become the most scary country of all western democracies to me Do you not count the US as a western democracy?
  - dgroshev 3mo ago
    Most people on here are in the US, and the baseline of "scary" implied by that (and many other) posts is definitely not where it should be. "Moron" doesn't nearly do it justice. The US saw a paramilitary force lead by an open racist (he was recently hanging out with open nazis on a "remigration" conference) executing a political opponent right on the street on camera, with zero consequences. A substantial proportion of the US cheered for literal concentration camps. Budget money is pretty openly funnelled to Trump's family and friends. This is not "Trump is a moron", this is a catastrophe and democratic collapse that is not nearly in the same category as "oh but what if they use the technology for surveillance". I suspect that this obsession with the UK is just a coping mechanism.
elric 3mo ago
I personally found the murder of an innocent man by Metropolitan police to be a pretty big deal that's been pretty much ignored. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Jean_Charles_de_Men...
- krisbolton 3mo ago
  This wasn't ignored and your source corroborates the fact. It was front page news, there were two IPPC investigations, and an inquest. This is also an example from 2005. An odd choice to reference in a thread about Police use of AI.
rimeice 3mo ago
Russian bot.
gambiting 3mo ago
As a Brit - yeah it's horrendous, but to me it's like there's two completely disjointed realities. One online, where UK seems to be the most surveiled and invigilated of the "western" countries where your every action is tracked, and then the second one is out in the real world, where the police and in general various agencies are borderline useless, unwilling to investigate any crime, where I genuienly wonder what's the point of obeying the rules of the road, paying taxes, or in fact not just walking out of the store with a trolley full of groceries without paying since none of this seems to be prosecuted in the slightest. Reporting crime happening literally outside of my doors has zero effect. You had your house broken into, car stolen, bicycle nicked? It would be a miracle for a policeman to show up to even take your statement. Businesses saying they have persistent problems with criminals walking out with the merchandise, no action is ever taken, or it's completely ineffective. Or how I'm literally scared to walk around with my child or ride a bike on bike paths because groups of men riding surrons in balaclavas are a daily sight around what is a tiny town in North of England - I keep reporting them to 101 all the time and yet I see them every day(but somehow not a single policeman). Or the whole meme of London having more cameras than people, but when a crime happens all of these cameras are impossible to access, in private hands, or broken - you could drive a stolen car through Oxford Circus and no one would stop you. Not to mention how every high street is now just a 50/50 mix of vape/phone shops, none of them ever have a customer in sight but somehow have a dude sitting there 24/7. But the sign changes every month to a new business. But no, the "most scary of western democracies" can't even prosecute organised crime properly. I just wonder if the focus on online laws is because it's so much easier to focus on this than any of the above problems.

dgroshev 3mo ago

I don't see what's "scary" about this link. It's talking about pretty much standard data processing, Palantir is doing that in the US for many years now.

elric 3mo ago
And you're saying that's not scary?
- dgroshev 3mo ago
  Yes, I'm saying it's a normal part of a functioning country to onboard tech into their law enforcement. If anything it's positive in this case, because it's a domestic effort and not just buying a similar system from Palantir.

Accacin 3mo ago

Yes, the UK is famously unique in having sexual assault against children.

firebaze 3mo ago
It's the world leader in disguising it, yes, just after Belgium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux Almost no-one talks about that anymore. It's still mostly unsolved. Children matter, right?
- monkey_monkey 3mo ago
  Bless your naive over-dramatic heart.

dools 3mo ago

You think the UK is in worse shape politically than the US?

firebaze 3mo ago
Yes, by far.
- gambiting 3mo ago
  Now that's a wild statement - UK at least has a leader who can say a coherent sentence in English, so far.
  - dgellow 3mo ago
    And hasn’t been found guilty of rape, hasn’t attempted a coup, hasn’t triggered the worst oil shock the world ever experienced for literally no reasons, etc
- dools 3mo ago
  You have roving poorly trained gangs of jackboot federal thugs illegally imprisoning citizens in privately owned gulags and mridering protesters extra judicially. The president is a criminal and a rapist. Him and his entire staff are corrupt self dealing incompetent grifters. He’s put a fox TV host in charge of the army and podcasters in charge of the FBI. The list goes on. It’s a total replication of idiocracy. What right wing social media slop are you consuming that you think the US is in good shape?

Jtarii 3mo ago

The president of the US literally attempted a coup, then was found liable for rape, and then got re-elected, then threatened to invade the European Union, then kidnapped the President of Venezuela, then invaded Iran. How in the fuck is the UK "scarier" than the US. What is this obsession with the UK that americans have?

firebaze 3mo ago
How does the US president change the view of the UK? Trump is a moron, reminds me at times of Idiocracy, esp. with UFC cage fights. However, the link to the UK eludes me
- Jtarii 3mo ago
  >The UK genuinely has become the most scary country of all western democracies to me Do you not count the US as a western democracy?
- dgroshev 3mo ago
  Most people on here are in the US, and the baseline of "scary" implied by that (and many other) posts is definitely not where it should be. "Moron" doesn't nearly do it justice. The US saw a paramilitary force lead by an open racist (he was recently hanging out with open nazis on a "remigration" conference) executing a political opponent right on the street on camera, with zero consequences. A substantial proportion of the US cheered for literal concentration camps. Budget money is pretty openly funnelled to Trump's family and friends. This is not "Trump is a moron", this is a catastrophe and democratic collapse that is not nearly in the same category as "oh but what if they use the technology for surveillance". I suspect that this obsession with the UK is just a coping mechanism.

elric 3mo ago

I personally found the murder of an innocent man by Metropolitan police to be a pretty big deal that's been pretty much ignored. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Jean_Charles_de_Men...

krisbolton 3mo ago
This wasn't ignored and your source corroborates the fact. It was front page news, there were two IPPC investigations, and an inquest. This is also an example from 2005. An odd choice to reference in a thread about Police use of AI.

rimeice 3mo ago

Russian bot.

gambiting 3mo ago

As a Brit - yeah it's horrendous, but to me it's like there's two completely disjointed realities. One online, where UK seems to be the most surveiled and invigilated of the "western" countries where your every action is tracked, and then the second one is out in the real world, where the police and in general various agencies are borderline useless, unwilling to investigate any crime, where I genuienly wonder what's the point of obeying the rules of the road, paying taxes, or in fact not just walking out of the store with a trolley full of groceries without paying since none of this seems to be prosecuted in the slightest. Reporting crime happening literally outside of my doors has zero effect. You had your house broken into, car stolen, bicycle nicked? It would be a miracle for a policeman to show up to even take your statement. Businesses saying they have persistent problems with criminals walking out with the merchandise, no action is ever taken, or it's completely ineffective. Or how I'm literally scared to walk around with my child or ride a bike on bike paths because groups of men riding surrons in balaclavas are a daily sight around what is a tiny town in North of England - I keep reporting them to 101 all the time and yet I see them every day(but somehow not a single policeman). Or the whole meme of London having more cameras than people, but when a crime happens all of these cameras are impossible to access, in private hands, or broken - you could drive a stolen car through Oxford Circus and no one would stop you. Not to mention how every high street is now just a 50/50 mix of vape/phone shops, none of them ever have a customer in sight but somehow have a dude sitting there 24/7. But the sign changes every month to a new business. But no, the "most scary of western democracies" can't even prosecute organised crime properly. I just wonder if the focus on online laws is because it's so much easier to focus on this than any of the above problems.