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Or perhaps we should expect parents to take some responsibility for their kids' screen use?

harel 3mo ago
Don't be daft. It's not the parent's responsibility to monitor and care for their kids.
SoftTalker 3mo ago
You expect the average parent to outwit Meta and TikTok and their teams of psychologists scheming to get their kids attention? The social media companies could have done the socially responsible thing a decade ago and avoided all this.
- mhluongo 3mo ago
  I expect them to give a shit, yeah. Just like they should care about what they read or watch, or who they hang out with. Don't let your kids have an internet-connected phone, or keep it locked down so they don't have parasitic apps preying on their pre-frontal immaturity until they're old enough to handle it. All of this needs to be done intentionally, of course, or it will feel like the kids are being punished. But I can't emphasize this enough... it's our job as parents to raise our kids.
  - SoftTalker 3mo ago
    They do give a shit, and that's why all these social media age laws are being passed. Representatives are actually listening to their constituents. Again, Meta and TikTok and their ilk could have avoided all of this by just being socially responsible organizations, instead of sociopathic.
varispeed 3mo ago
How do you create new procurement pipeline and surveillance infrastructure from that?
- mhluongo 3mo ago
  Bingo
inigyou 3mo ago
Ok, can you explain what that looks like in practice or is it just some abstract feel-good words?
- mhluongo 3mo ago
  Sure! With my kids it's meant not buying them internet-enabled devices (or disabling the internet access, eg smart TVs), only having 1 family computer in a shared space, and managing my own local network. There also aren't screens in the house through the week. On the flip side, I let them read whatever they want, including things that are upsetting or that other parents would say aren't appropriate, and I talk to them about what they've read. Overall, I think these policies have meant more thoughtful media consumption, and more time outside and with friends. I'm not enough of a fool to think our rules are enforced at friends' houses, but we've chosen to live in a community that's largely on the same page. None of this stuff is easy, but as a parent, it's the job.
  - iamnothere 3mo ago
    “But I don’t want to be a responsible parent, I want to destroy the unrestricted internet.”
    - inigyou 3mo ago
      Just like we destroyed unrestricted tobacco stores
      - iamnothere 3mo ago
        Yes yes, the internet is tobacco, TV rots your brain, the radio pushes devil music, and the printing press gives the peasants too many dangerous ideas. Shut it all down.
      - kyboren 3mo ago
        Nobody has a right to unrestricted tobacco stores. Everybody has a right to free speech, and free speech frequently requires anonymous speech. This is why the protection of journalists' sources is so important, and why principled journalists are willing to go to jail to protect them. You yearn for the end and couldn't care less about the means. But there are also those who couldn't care less about the end, but yearn for the means. How can you distinguish between the two? And which do you think best describes the parties behind this global push to de-anonymize the Internet?

harel 3mo ago

Don't be daft. It's not the parent's responsibility to monitor and care for their kids.

You expect the average parent to outwit Meta and TikTok and their teams of psychologists scheming to get their kids attention? The social media companies could have done the socially responsible thing a decade ago and avoided all this.

mhluongo 3mo ago
I expect them to give a shit, yeah. Just like they should care about what they read or watch, or who they hang out with. Don't let your kids have an internet-connected phone, or keep it locked down so they don't have parasitic apps preying on their pre-frontal immaturity until they're old enough to handle it. All of this needs to be done intentionally, of course, or it will feel like the kids are being punished. But I can't emphasize this enough... it's our job as parents to raise our kids.
- SoftTalker 3mo ago
  They do give a shit, and that's why all these social media age laws are being passed. Representatives are actually listening to their constituents. Again, Meta and TikTok and their ilk could have avoided all of this by just being socially responsible organizations, instead of sociopathic.

varispeed 3mo ago

How do you create new procurement pipeline and surveillance infrastructure from that?

mhluongo 3mo ago
Bingo

inigyou 3mo ago

Ok, can you explain what that looks like in practice or is it just some abstract feel-good words?

mhluongo 3mo ago
Sure! With my kids it's meant not buying them internet-enabled devices (or disabling the internet access, eg smart TVs), only having 1 family computer in a shared space, and managing my own local network. There also aren't screens in the house through the week. On the flip side, I let them read whatever they want, including things that are upsetting or that other parents would say aren't appropriate, and I talk to them about what they've read. Overall, I think these policies have meant more thoughtful media consumption, and more time outside and with friends. I'm not enough of a fool to think our rules are enforced at friends' houses, but we've chosen to live in a community that's largely on the same page. None of this stuff is easy, but as a parent, it's the job.
- iamnothere 3mo ago
  “But I don’t want to be a responsible parent, I want to destroy the unrestricted internet.”
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    Just like we destroyed unrestricted tobacco stores
    - iamnothere 3mo ago
      Yes yes, the internet is tobacco, TV rots your brain, the radio pushes devil music, and the printing press gives the peasants too many dangerous ideas. Shut it all down.
    - kyboren 3mo ago
      Nobody has a right to unrestricted tobacco stores. Everybody has a right to free speech, and free speech frequently requires anonymous speech. This is why the protection of journalists' sources is so important, and why principled journalists are willing to go to jail to protect them. You yearn for the end and couldn't care less about the means. But there are also those who couldn't care less about the end, but yearn for the means. How can you distinguish between the two? And which do you think best describes the parties behind this global push to de-anonymize the Internet?