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I discovered ClickHouse around 2017-18 and built a PoC to replace Elasticsearch: 5x better storage and qps, in a couple of weeks. Managers rejected it because
by drchaim 3mo ago
I discovered ClickHouse around 2017-18 and built a PoC to replace Elasticsearch: 5x better storage and qps, in a couple of weeks.
Managers rejected it because it wasn't well known and was seen as "some database made by Russians."
On a personal level, it's quite sad to have seen that train coming so early and not been able to get on board.
- ashu1461 3mo agoSame we are also stuck with ES wish could migrate to clickhouse but not able to do so because of the legacy load.
- cloudie78 3mo agoWhat do you not like about ES?
- KebabCase 3mo ago[flagged]
- budsniffer952 3mo ago>ask a random stranger on the street if he's racist, and he will honestly say no, even if he actually simply does not realize it My lord you people are beyond patronizing. When people refer to "the Chinese" or "the Russians", we are taking about the nation state, not the people. And there are legitimate security concerns. Whether we should be adversial is another question. But we are.
- leoqa 3mo agoI am wary of any supply chain attack and more so if the project is maintained by people with relationships in adversarial countries. The risk of exploitation outweighs the convenience.
- throw-the-towel 3mo agoI agree about the legitimate security concerns, but not with "we're talking about the nation state, not the people". If life has taught me anything in the last few years, it's that normies are incapable of making this distinction, at least in the Old World.
- amazingman 3mo agoI liked how you othered people as you lamented the human habit of othering people.
- goodmythical 3mo agoGiven that american ignorance is a cultural thing (with many people deliberately electing the way grandpa did it) is it not kind of racist to generalize americans as unknowingly racist? You said, "ask a random stranger...and he will honestly say no" not "ask a random stanger...and he will probably honestly say no". Most of most people are racist, it's just different groups. Americans obviously have less distrust of americans, but then I am just as certain that there are many many humans who would proudly share their "dumb american" stories as if that is not every bit as prejudicial to those of us who do not fit the description as any other "weak french" or "commie russian" or "sister fucking indian" or whatever else.
- aleph_minus_one 3mo ago> but then I am just as certain that there are many many humans who would proudly share their "dumb american" stories as if that is not every bit as prejudicial to those of us who do not fit the description as any other "weak french" or "commie russian" or "sister fucking indian" or whatever else. Racism is about race (i.e. phenotypical or genotypical properties), while being US-American/French/Russian/Indian/... is about nationality. So, these stories are not about racism (since they are not about race), but about prejudices against other nations/nationalities.
- throw9393kddif 3mo ago[flagged]
- dionian 3mo agoyes and the proof was the spam email phoning home to russia. or, whatever other hoaxes they cooked up along the way. strangely most of them didnt make it into the trial where he was acquitted.
- aetherspawn 3mo agoMy country literally has sanctions on your country. If I do any projects with you, I’ll pay a fine of $200K and go to jail for up to 10 years. It’s not racism, it’s just caution. That’s sad because I’ve always wanted to visit Russia and from the outside it looks like a really interesting place. Now, if you could change your government to one that listens to the European Court of Human Rights (namely: don’t start random wars, respect freedom of religion and respect people’s right not to participate in useless wars they don’t believe in) then we’d be best friends.
- dmurray 3mo agoDoes your country sanction all other countries that start "random wars", or just Russia?
- aetherspawn 3mo agoWell, we also have sanctions on the Middle East, and we’ve warned China that they will get sanctions if they invade Taiwan. Maybe we should have sanctions on America, but our politicians are not exactly brave.
- malkia 3mo agoThere is an awesome amount of software written by Russians - nginx, clickhouse, 7zip, Far Manager, WinRAR, even Kotlin (his creator) - I grew up, as bulgarian, with Russian books (especially math) that were indispensible. Do I like the Russian goverment, or any of their goverments (current, soviet or royal ones) - Hell no! We were liberated "two" or was it "three" times by then only to screw things for us badly (Bulgaria). The people, the culture, the language, the music, art, science are great... I still don't understand why so many bulgarians still like Putin... but hey!
- curt15 3mo agoAll the Jetbrains tooling as well.
- fsuts 3mo agoCan clickhouse to search? If not why did you seek to replace elastic with it
- arunmu 3mo agoWere you using it for simple grep search or actually required advanced searching for eg: BM25. Clickhouse will only help you with grep like search from what I understand.
- drchaim 3mo agoActually, there was no search, only on-the-fly aggregations/filtering over "big data". ES was kind of famous at the time, although not the best tool for that job. afaik CH introduced FTS rececently.
- oooyay 3mo agoI had the same experience recently. Turns out ClickHouse would reduce our DB operations by 60%, remove the need for a TSDB, and reduce query times from ~300-500ms (and sometimes ~3s) to roughly ~75ms. Lastly, and most impressively we were already seeing a ridiculous level of compression and our storage cost benchmarks were reduced to the cost of S3. This took a $2-3M storage layer down to one measured in the single thousands per month. ClickHouse is no panacea but if you understand how your data is accessed and thus how to arrange it you will get so many miles out of it.
- cynicalsecurity 3mo agoSupply chain risk.