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US Science needed this. Racism, sexism, plagiarism, and fraud were rampant in the academic community. It's going to take a long time to fully fix the problem, b

US Science needed this. Racism, sexism, plagiarism, and fraud were rampant in the academic community. It's going to take a long time to fully fix the problem, but we are on the right path currently.

evenman02 3mo ago
Idiotic sentiment. "I needed a tooth removed, but the Dentist removed all my teeth! Thats ok, technically he did fix the problem!"
epistasis 3mo ago
No it did not, and even if there was a correction needed, this most certainly is not that correction.
- kalstone 3mo ago
  You are willfully blind if you do not think those have been major and prevailing issues in our insitutions. To kill a virus, it can take drastic measures, like a fever. But after it's over, the host recovers and is once again healthy
- johnsmith1840 3mo ago
  President of stanford was fired over fraudulent research if that's not rampant then what is?
  - epistasis 3mo ago
    What do you want more than the firing? If a CEO commits a crime does that mean the entire industry must ne shut down? What sort of reasoning is this?
    - johnsmith1840 3mo ago
      Broken window theory to the extreme. If the leader of one of the countries most famous research groups commited research fraud with a slap on the wrist it's not hard to realize how broken it is. I have personally worked with famous researchers and seen a few fudge their work. Acting ignorant of the major flaws implies you haven't been involved, or inside a bubble of research nirvana.
      - frm88 3mo ago
        This should apply to politics and industry as well then, in your opinion? Cut all subsidies for industries that commit fraud, research or otherwise, like the oil giants for example? No pardons for cryptocurrency Ceo's like CZ and shutdown cryptocurrency?
        johnsmith1840 3mo ago
        I am saying it's one of many examples of which I personally experienced and those I know have also experienced. And yes it should and does. If an industry does not provide value it naturally fails because it doesn't make money. Academia has no profit by design and now gets to face its own form of regulation for disfunction. There is no way to even attempt to fix our science base without first cutting much of it. How are we supposed to fix a system while not applying consequences to it? Every US institution is rotting from inside out demanding more money while providing less. The most effective way to begin the process for any of these is to cut money and sort out real value. This is like US public transport argument. Should we just forever fund disfunctional systems because we are scared of trying to fix them? Our public transport is beyond disfunctional compared to basically any other country on earth. Since the market cannot correct these systems as what makes industry so effective then you must artificially apply equivalent market forces.

US Science needed this. Racism, sexism, plagiarism, and fraud were rampant in the academic community. It's going to take a long time to fully fix the problem, but we are on the right path currently.

evenman02 3mo ago

Idiotic sentiment. "I needed a tooth removed, but the Dentist removed all my teeth! Thats ok, technically he did fix the problem!"

epistasis 3mo ago

No it did not, and even if there was a correction needed, this most certainly is not that correction.

kalstone 3mo ago
You are willfully blind if you do not think those have been major and prevailing issues in our insitutions. To kill a virus, it can take drastic measures, like a fever. But after it's over, the host recovers and is once again healthy
johnsmith1840 3mo ago
President of stanford was fired over fraudulent research if that's not rampant then what is?
- epistasis 3mo ago
  What do you want more than the firing? If a CEO commits a crime does that mean the entire industry must ne shut down? What sort of reasoning is this?
  - johnsmith1840 3mo ago
    Broken window theory to the extreme. If the leader of one of the countries most famous research groups commited research fraud with a slap on the wrist it's not hard to realize how broken it is. I have personally worked with famous researchers and seen a few fudge their work. Acting ignorant of the major flaws implies you haven't been involved, or inside a bubble of research nirvana.
    - frm88 3mo ago
      This should apply to politics and industry as well then, in your opinion? Cut all subsidies for industries that commit fraud, research or otherwise, like the oil giants for example? No pardons for cryptocurrency Ceo's like CZ and shutdown cryptocurrency?
      - johnsmith1840 3mo ago
        I am saying it's one of many examples of which I personally experienced and those I know have also experienced. And yes it should and does. If an industry does not provide value it naturally fails because it doesn't make money. Academia has no profit by design and now gets to face its own form of regulation for disfunction. There is no way to even attempt to fix our science base without first cutting much of it. How are we supposed to fix a system while not applying consequences to it? Every US institution is rotting from inside out demanding more money while providing less. The most effective way to begin the process for any of these is to cut money and sort out real value. This is like US public transport argument. Should we just forever fund disfunctional systems because we are scared of trying to fix them? Our public transport is beyond disfunctional compared to basically any other country on earth. Since the market cannot correct these systems as what makes industry so effective then you must artificially apply equivalent market forces.