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im referring to the admissions process, and this discrimination has been present for decades

btrettel 3mo ago
I don't think I experienced discrimination during admissions either. Off the top of my head, I don't know any US citizens who told me that they wanted to go to grad school but were unable to be admitted to a school.
- mikeyouse 3mo ago
  Yeah, it's just nativist nonsense from completely the uninformed.
handle584 3mo ago
Any source? In my field US Citizens and permanent residents are actually preferred for at least two reasons, first they are eligible for graduate grants like NSF so they are not using department's money; second upon graduation they are eligible for more jobs because places like national labs do not hire foreigners.
- throwaway0123_5 3mo ago
  I agree with the general sentiment of this comment, but national labs do hire foreigners/non-citizens, albeit possibly not from all countries with eligibility for all roles.
bdamm 3mo ago
Are you thinking of affirmative action? Affirmative action is by design discriminatory, but not against nationality. It's discriminatory based on race and sex. So I think your grudge is not striking the right target. And in any case, affirmative action has been mostly wound down, which began to happen when Obama was President. Not because he did anything, but because SCOTUS declared that his election was evidence that affirmative action was no longer required and thus ruled against it in new cases.
- like_any_other 3mo ago
  > affirmative action has been mostly wound down, which began to happen when Obama was President. It was so wound down that 6 years after Obama left office, whites were 0.54x under-represented in the Ivy League, despite having SAT scores close to the groups that were ~5x over-represented: https://archive.org/details/ivy_league/ https://archive.org/details/ivy_league/ An expected outcome of still having explicit affirmative action hiring/admission criteria in 2025: https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-university-discrimination-dei-hiring-trump https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-university-disc...
anigbrowl 3mo ago
Stop vagueposting and make a proper argument. This isn't X where you get paid for posting bait.

I don't think I experienced discrimination during admissions either. Off the top of my head, I don't know any US citizens who told me that they wanted to go to grad school but were unable to be admitted to a school.

mikeyouse 3mo ago
Yeah, it's just nativist nonsense from completely the uninformed.

handle584 3mo ago

Any source? In my field US Citizens and permanent residents are actually preferred for at least two reasons, first they are eligible for graduate grants like NSF so they are not using department's money; second upon graduation they are eligible for more jobs because places like national labs do not hire foreigners.

throwaway0123_5 3mo ago
I agree with the general sentiment of this comment, but national labs do hire foreigners/non-citizens, albeit possibly not from all countries with eligibility for all roles.

bdamm 3mo ago

Are you thinking of affirmative action? Affirmative action is by design discriminatory, but not against nationality. It's discriminatory based on race and sex. So I think your grudge is not striking the right target. And in any case, affirmative action has been mostly wound down, which began to happen when Obama was President. Not because he did anything, but because SCOTUS declared that his election was evidence that affirmative action was no longer required and thus ruled against it in new cases.

like_any_other 3mo ago
> affirmative action has been mostly wound down, which began to happen when Obama was President. It was so wound down that 6 years after Obama left office, whites were 0.54x under-represented in the Ivy League, despite having SAT scores close to the groups that were ~5x over-represented: https://archive.org/details/ivy_league/ https://archive.org/details/ivy_league/ An expected outcome of still having explicit affirmative action hiring/admission criteria in 2025: https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-university-discrimination-dei-hiring-trump https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-university-disc...

anigbrowl 3mo ago

Stop vagueposting and make a proper argument. This isn't X where you get paid for posting bait.