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I think the links should open in the same window (like they do here on HN) instead of in a new tab/window. If I want a separate tab, I can Cmd+click and Browser
by janaagaard 3mo ago
I think the links should open in the same window (like they do here on HN) instead of in a new tab/window. If I want a separate tab, I can Cmd+click and Browsers don't have the reverse option for opening in the same window.
- AbuAssar 3mo agonope, I prefer open in new tab by default
- kpopendurer 3mo agoIn general, it's better not to force an action onto users. You might prefer things opening in a new tab, but you always have that option. If it's forced on users, it is frustrating for those who would prefer that not to happen.
- ffsm8 3mo agoAnd yet we're here, discussing how a developer should change their own application because their preference is wrong If you don't like it, adjust it for yourself with an extension or script.
- adrithmetiqa 3mo agoExactly. This is a design choice and there’s no right or wrong here.
- jaapz 3mo agothe difference is that with tab-open default, there is no way for me to open the link in this window with this-window default (or actually, the browser-default-default), I can middle click and it'll open in a new tab regardless pretty funny to have this discussion though, takes me back to the HTML4 and XHTML days
- cstever 3mo agoXHTML ftw :)
- hk__2 3mo agoYes there is a right and wrong. The default browser behavior is the design that every user expects, so unless there is a very strong argument for a different way, this is the _right_ design.
- locknitpicker 3mo ago> Exactly. This is a design choice and there’s no right or wrong here. I don't agree. If your design choice forces a user flow that is surprising, awkward, and redundant then it's definitely the wrong choice. It's still a call to be made by the design team, though.
- superxpro12 3mo agoi mean, is a small user preferences page out of the question here? the majority of web users arent going to write a js extension.
- ffsm8 3mo agoYou don't need to write one? Just write a ublock origin rule, use grease monkey or whatever is used nowadays. Or just configure your browser to ignore the target param, eg browser.link.open_newwindow_restriction 0 in about:config The fact I've gotten so many down votes for my previous comment really nails the point down how HN isn't really used by technical people anymore. It's mostly idiots with opinions.
- edoceo 3mo agoWrong again. The idiots here are arguing to follow default, de-facto specifications and to give users an easy accessible choice.
- complianceowll 3mo ago[flagged]
- chrysoprace 3mo agoThat's a good user setting, but as opening in the same tab is the default browser behaviour then it should really stay that way. Opening in a new tab takes control away from the user.
- reactordev 3mo agoNext they’ll be defending full screen div paywalls.
- el_io 3mo agoExactly. I prefer to open in the same page. If I want to open in new tab then I can always Ctrl + Click. I don't think I can do the reverse though.
- RossBencina 3mo agoThis. Principle of least surprise.
- AbuAssar 3mo agowhy the downvotes, I meant to demonstrate that I prefer the current behaviour so the site developer knows.
- markdown 3mo agoThe downvoters meant to demonstrate that they prefer the standard/expected behavior and would like OP to ignore your opinion on the matter.
- kbelder 3mo agoI didn't downvote, because the poster had a reasonable opinion stated politely, but I still really hope the OP ignores his opinion.
- billnad 3mo agoI like the new tab as well. Otherwise I will forget what I went to. My process is to go through an interesting site, like HN, and then be able to see these interesting sites after that. I guess it depends on a persons web workflow though
- Wilduck 3mo agoThe downvotes are because the discussion isn't really about "which option do users prefer". It's actually about returning user choice. As the original comment said: "If I want a separate tab, I can Cmd+click and Browsers don't have the reverse option for opening in the same window." So when you say "Nope!", you're being downvoted because you're implicitly saying "actually users don't deserve choice".
- SilentM68 3mo agoDon't feel bad. I've been down-votted and banned into obscurity meerly for providing my opinion. Do as I did, get a gigantic list of all legislators and government officials, sent them a nice letter informing them of how HN's policies are rotten to the core. In my case I took screenshots, sent those too. When I post something such as now, only I can see it while logged in. When logged off, I can't see my posts. Will take pictures in both states, send those pictures to those legislators in my list :) Sol Roth Annex HN
- akoboldfrying 3mo agoAnd people who prefer the other way can just hold down _____ while clicking to open it in the current tab instead. Good ol' _____-clicking saves the day again!
- em-bee 3mo agoonly on a mac, and probably only on safari which leaves the majority of people in the lurch.
- akoboldfrying 3mo agoI was trying to sarcastically imply that no such same-tab-enabling key existed, and that this was therefore a bad suggestion. (Didn't know it does exist on Safari either!)
- em-bee 3mo agooh, sorry, your suggestion wasn't unrealistic enough to not be believable so my sarcasm detector failed. i took ___ to mean the option key which has this symbol made up of lines: "⌥", it is also the key most likely to be used for such a feature, so i figured that's what you must be talking about. if you weren't then the key most certainly doesn't exist on a mac either, and i apologize for the downvote. unfortunately it appears that i can't undo it anymore so i hope someone else will compensate with an upvote.
- akoboldfrying 3mo agoNo worries :)
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- Telaneo 3mo agoI too prefer that, but i don't want to force that choice on othet people. CTRL+left click is ingrained in me now anyway.
- netfortius 3mo ago100% agree. I had to install a browser extension when I use HN with such (vs app on android, when it does it by default), just to force open links to new tabs.
- rafterydj 3mo agoI do as well, but I think it's good practice to put something like in a user preference setting somewhere if you are going to stray from default browser/system behavior.
- giancarlostoro 3mo agoI'd rather have an icon next to the link that implies "Open in new Tab" like one of these with the arrow: https://www.flaticon.com/free-icons/new-tab https://www.flaticon.com/free-icons/new-tab
- locknitpicker 3mo ago> I'd rather have an icon next to the link that implies "Open in new Tab" like one of these with the arrow: That is a valid option for detachable UI elements seen in desktop apps. Opening links in a separate tab or window is not that thought. That is a first class user flow in web design.
- janaagaard 3mo agoYeah, I get that some prefer it the other way around. The HTML anchor should have a target="_self_or_blank_depending_on_what_the_user_has_configured" option.
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- bookofjoe 3mo agoToo bad it's so hard to submit a suggested blog.
- moebrowne 3mo agoMaking it too easy invites spam. Sending a single email seems like a good compromise to me.
- bookofjoe 3mo agoI agree, that would be a good compromise and I would do it in a heartbeat, but that's NOT the procedure. More is required: >Participating >You log in with a Fediverse account (Mastodon, Pixelfed, GoToSocial, and others). If you don't have one, mastodon.social is free and takes two minutes. For non-techies like me, Fediverse accounts and mastodon.social are non-starters. Too bad. A single email WOULD be great, as you point out.
- viermalbe 3mo agoSign-in is only needed to interact with the site, like voting or hiding entries. If you want to suggest your own blog, just send a mail to suggest@bubbles.town as described in the FAQ.
- zer00eyz 3mo ago> For non-techies like me, Fediverse accounts and mastodon.social are non-starters. For technical people these things should be non starters as well. It is a group of people who should be acutely aware of everything wrong with social media, and many are not.
- viermalbe 3mo agoBubbles dev here, I've heard you loud and clear and follow the discussion closely. I will change the default behaviour to open links in the same tab like on HN or Lobsters soon. But first the HN visitor wave needs to calm down.
- mindtricks 3mo agoSo many comments debating the philosophy around this. I like it when these type of sites open a new tab for me. Is there a way to just code in a toggle between the two link opening types?
- Shank 3mo agoYou can set a user preference to open in a new tab. The reverse is not true.
- zamadatix 3mo agoI don't think most browsers have such an option, doubly so on mobile. They just assume the user will open the link in the way they'd like.
- rovr138 3mo agoI like that in Kagi I can set this as an option. Default, on the same tab (since browsers have options around this), but allow users to select if they want it on a new tab/window.
- zenoprax 3mo agoMiddle-click a link to open a new tab. I can't force a link to open in the same window but I can with new tabs. Sometimes it's easier to follow a link, have a look, and then go back without jumping around tabs.
- Sn0wCoder 3mo agowow, always right clicked then clicked open in new tab. Middle click now saves me one click - thanks!