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Does it affect the photo quality? It used to require letting go of the default photo app and thus a downgrade in photo processing.

theodric 3mo ago
Install a 3rd party GCam and then the answer is no https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/ https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/
- cwillu 3mo ago
  That sounds like the answer is actually yes: we're not talking about the lack of a camera app, but the lack of a camera app that knows the details of the usually-proprietary camera firmware
  - oynqr 3mo ago
    You can install both the regular GCam as well as third party mods. Actual GCam feels worse to me.
    - t0bia_s 3mo ago
      Problem with stock Google camera app is that it made horrible HDRlike images even with HDR turned off. You cannot adjust amount of reduced highlights and increased shadows which makes images unrealistic with lack of depth.
Cider9986 3mo ago
No, if you install the Google camera there is no difference in quality and by revoking network you don't lose privacy.
- dns_snek 3mo ago
  > by revoking network you don't lose privacy Be careful, apps can still communicate with other apps, e.g. revoking the network permission doesn't stop apps from fetching and displaying ads over the network. I don't know enough about Android internals to understand the mechanisms behind it, but clearly there are ways for apps to exfiltrate data. > Trying to use Network as a complete data exfiltration toggle isn't the intended purpose, and you should always consider apps within the profile being able to communicate for ALL data and access including permissions. It is not something only relevant to Network. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/4024-in-what-extent-can-apps-communicate-with-each-other/10 https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/4024-in-what-extent-can-app... https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/2197 https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/2197
  - Cider9986 3mo ago
    I don't have any Google or closed source apps with network permission, but thank you for sharing that quote I haven't seen that before.
  - samplifier 3mo ago
    Eye opener. Thanks for the warning! GrapheneOS sandboxes all apps including GSF as far as I understand. It would be nice if full capabilities could be exposed or at least shown in the app settings. There is the "All permissions" view which has a "have full network access" item with the following details: `Allows the app to create network sockets and use custom network protocols. The browser and other applications provide means to send data to the internet, so this permission is not required to send data to the internet.` Does this mean the app has this permission and even without it can fully access the internet? If so the primary "network" permission is very misleading. I wish for a smartphone-like device which installs apps with `cap_drop: ALL` by default. I wish for a government which would support such a standpoint and "assist" companies not able to provide a service which require intrusive data gathering. Either that or we're all just one big happy family with no secrets and no jealousy and no drama. sigh
    - J-Kuhn 3mo ago
      To my knowledge, any app can just instruct the installed browser (Google Chrome, Vanadium, Firefox...) to open http[s]://tracker.evil-ad-network.example/?installedId=012345.
subscribed 3mo ago
I mean...... Google Camera has slightly different approach to low light photos and much better panorama mode, which means you can just install it and use with network access denied. I mainly use native camera (good in most cases, can be brought up immediately with double power button press, from locked), Google camera (rarely), BlackMagic for when I need control over videos and ProShot when I need control over images (the last one might be hard to install - it's a paid app (I'm a paid user, this is how I got it), but not long time ago the moron of the developer made the app "incompatible" with devices without Google surveillance buttplug claiming it will prevent people pirating it form opening support cases....???). So you can have multiple camera apps. Thankfully Google is not Samsung or Sony, and all the apps have full access to the cameras.
- qingcharles 3mo ago
  That really pissed me off when I found the only app that can access the full output of the sensor on Samsung is their own shitty app. WTF.

theodric 3mo ago

Install a 3rd party GCam and then the answer is no https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/ https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/

cwillu 3mo ago
That sounds like the answer is actually yes: we're not talking about the lack of a camera app, but the lack of a camera app that knows the details of the usually-proprietary camera firmware
- oynqr 3mo ago
  You can install both the regular GCam as well as third party mods. Actual GCam feels worse to me.
  - t0bia_s 3mo ago
    Problem with stock Google camera app is that it made horrible HDRlike images even with HDR turned off. You cannot adjust amount of reduced highlights and increased shadows which makes images unrealistic with lack of depth.

Cider9986 3mo ago

No, if you install the Google camera there is no difference in quality and by revoking network you don't lose privacy.

dns_snek 3mo ago
> by revoking network you don't lose privacy Be careful, apps can still communicate with other apps, e.g. revoking the network permission doesn't stop apps from fetching and displaying ads over the network. I don't know enough about Android internals to understand the mechanisms behind it, but clearly there are ways for apps to exfiltrate data. > Trying to use Network as a complete data exfiltration toggle isn't the intended purpose, and you should always consider apps within the profile being able to communicate for ALL data and access including permissions. It is not something only relevant to Network. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/4024-in-what-extent-can-apps-communicate-with-each-other/10 https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/4024-in-what-extent-can-app... https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/2197 https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/2197
- Cider9986 3mo ago
  I don't have any Google or closed source apps with network permission, but thank you for sharing that quote I haven't seen that before.
- samplifier 3mo ago
  Eye opener. Thanks for the warning! GrapheneOS sandboxes all apps including GSF as far as I understand. It would be nice if full capabilities could be exposed or at least shown in the app settings. There is the "All permissions" view which has a "have full network access" item with the following details: `Allows the app to create network sockets and use custom network protocols. The browser and other applications provide means to send data to the internet, so this permission is not required to send data to the internet.` Does this mean the app has this permission and even without it can fully access the internet? If so the primary "network" permission is very misleading. I wish for a smartphone-like device which installs apps with `cap_drop: ALL` by default. I wish for a government which would support such a standpoint and "assist" companies not able to provide a service which require intrusive data gathering. Either that or we're all just one big happy family with no secrets and no jealousy and no drama. sigh
  - J-Kuhn 3mo ago
    To my knowledge, any app can just instruct the installed browser (Google Chrome, Vanadium, Firefox...) to open http[s]://tracker.evil-ad-network.example/?installedId=012345.

subscribed 3mo ago

I mean...... Google Camera has slightly different approach to low light photos and much better panorama mode, which means you can just install it and use with network access denied. I mainly use native camera (good in most cases, can be brought up immediately with double power button press, from locked), Google camera (rarely), BlackMagic for when I need control over videos and ProShot when I need control over images (the last one might be hard to install - it's a paid app (I'm a paid user, this is how I got it), but not long time ago the moron of the developer made the app "incompatible" with devices without Google surveillance buttplug claiming it will prevent people pirating it form opening support cases....???). So you can have multiple camera apps. Thankfully Google is not Samsung or Sony, and all the apps have full access to the cameras.

qingcharles 3mo ago
That really pissed me off when I found the only app that can access the full output of the sensor on Samsung is their own shitty app. WTF.