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Yes, Israel is unequivocally committing genocide in Gaza. Genocide is not just "are they killing everybody", but also "are they driving people from their ancest
by kibibu 3mo ago
Yes, Israel is unequivocally committing genocide in Gaza. Genocide is not just "are they killing everybody", but also "are they driving people from their ancestral homelands"?
Israel is constitutionally an ethnostate. If there is an existing population, there is literally no way to establish an ethnostate without genocide - either through killing or displacement.
- throw39647 3mo ago[flagged]
- sosomoxie 3mo agoMuslims do not have full rights, especially those who were murdered and had their land stolen. Do Muslims have the right of return? No. Can any Jew become an Israeli citizen? Yes. There are many other discrepancies.
- kyboren 3mo ago[flagged]
- sosomoxie 3mo agoYes Indigenous Americans should get their stolen land back. That’s a well established movement.
- WarmWash 3mo agoA well established movement pushed by people who are first in the line to get the land, as opposed to the people they took that land from. It doesn't take long to come to the realization that everyone everywhere is on "stolen land".
- sosomoxie 3mo agoSo by this argument, we should just go defeat Israel and give the land back to the Palestinians and no one should have anything negative to say about it right?
- WarmWash 3mo agoYes, that is correct. Land ownership is determined by your ability to defend it. If you can get a coalition to take down Israel, the land is yours to do whatever you want with it. That is how it works, if you want land, have big guns or big friends.
- sosomoxie 3mo agoI'm sure this will come to fruition once the boomers are gone as everyone else is extremely anti-Israel. Curious if you apply your "might makes right" logic to Nazis? By your argument they did nothing wrong, just exercised strength.
- WarmWash 3mo agoNothing I said has any bearing on morality or correctness. It's also not my logic anymore than the wind stoking a forest fire is my logic. It's just shitty thing that is true. On the global stage, where there is no higher power to appeal to (none of these fools god's exists), your land is only what you can defend with either might or diplomacy. This is a (very shitty, but very real) natural law that exists in the universe we were born into (aliens might decide they want Earth one day). If you run a country, and fail at both of those things, you likely will not being running a country for long.
- sosomoxie 3mo agoWe evolved "morality" for a reason. I do agree that Israel has clearly demonstrated to the world that they'll need to be stopped by force though.
- throw467428 3mo ago[flagged]
- sosomoxie 3mo ago[flagged]
- jpadkins 3mo agookay, but that is not the world that you live in. Many countries are religious and use religion to decide immigration.
- sosomoxie 3mo agoI'm replying to a comment that says Muslims have equal rights to Jews in Israel and pointing out that is 100% incorrect. That is the world that we live in, the world where Israel is an apartheid state.
- throw39647 3mo ago[dead]
- sosomoxie 3mo ago> Israeli Muslims have equal rights to Israeli Jews in Israel. I just posted one of many laws that are explicitly in favor of Jews and exclude Muslims (and everyone else).
- throw39647 3mo ago[dead]
- sosomoxie 3mo agoAgain, "positively discriminates for Jews" is the definition of apartheid. I posted a link with many other apartheid laws. You're not arguing in good faith, so this will be the end of our conversation.
- throw39647 3mo ago[dead]
- sosomoxie 3mo ago> Separately, Israel has a special immigration law for Jews This is the definition of apartheid. There are many other examples: https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/legal-rights-israeli-arab-citizens-vs-jewish-citizens-2024-918384 https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/legal-rights-israe...
- throw39647 3mo ago[dead]
- sosomoxie 3mo agoThat's the exact definition of apartheid. Being jewish should never be a qualification for immigration, it's a religion.
- throw39647 3mo ago[dead]
- sosomoxie 3mo agoAgain, being Jewish does not give someone special immigration status. It’s completely orthogonal to citizenship. That Israel goes against this principle is what makes it an apartheid colony.
- FunnyUsername 3mo ago[dead]
- kyboren 3mo ago> Genocide is not just "are they killing everybody", but also "are they driving people from their ancestral homelands"? Which is obviously why "Free Palestine" marchers regularly show their solidarity with the Germans genocided by Poland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_from_Poland_during_and_after_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_German... Free Danzig! Down with the settler colonialist genocidal state of Poland!!1