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I did similar and you summarized the feelings well. It's really sad and hard to rebuild that trust And disheartening that people continue to gravitate to a pol

I did similar and you summarized the feelings well. It's really sad and hard to rebuild that trust And disheartening that people continue to gravitate to a political party that proudly announces desires to abuse this data.

alterom 3mo ago
>And disheartening that people continue to gravitate to a political party that proudly announces desires to abuse this data. The same party that promotes distrust in the government (that is justified by the abuse the same party does when in power). Amazing, innit.
- smaudet 3mo ago
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  - nandomrumber 3mo ago
    You should never trust a politician, especially one that claims to be on/in the left. These two statements are equally as vacuous.
    - jibal 3mo ago
      No, the first one is true. It's the copycat comment that is vacuous and doesn't even make any sense -- "in the right" has a clear meaning, "in the left" is nonsense.
      - nandomrumber 3mo ago
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    - fc417fc802 3mo ago
      You misunderstood, the meaning was roughly "one who claims his actions to be virtuous".
- clipsy 3mo ago
  The premise of the Republican party for half a century now has been: "The government can't do anything right, and if you elect us we'll prove it!"
  - roenxi 3mo ago
    And it's something of a coin flip whether people prefer that philosophy to the other mob. Trump has made it to a seconds term and is talking about a third because of the stunning policy failures of the US government over the last 50 years.
    - lesuorac 3mo ago
      Were you alive in 2024? Trump won by <1% against an incumbent in a time that incumbents lost by >10%. It's absolutely not that people like Trump, it's just that democrats are inept. Literally all democrats had to do was run somebody that didn't have a record of losing primaries.
      - anjel 3mo ago
        They're not legislatively inept, it's simply that viscerally, the electorate knows both mobs are guilty of the same representational transgressions. The GOP was always the party of big biz, while the dems were fronting as the hoi poloi's party, and everyone kinda figured that out as Trump played that irony and the anger behind it, masterfully. How do you get out from behind that, is what renders them inept.
        moron4hire 3mo ago
        I think the big difference between the Republicans and Democrats is that the R-electorate votes for R-candidates because they want what the R-candidates are promising, while the D-electorare votes for D-candidates because they don't want what the R-candidates candidates are promising. It's one of the reasons why "both sides" arguments are so frustrating. You can find R-voters who will defend Trump all day, in equal numbers to D-voters who will criticize Biden/Harris. You can see it in the number of R-voters you encounter online who think it's a "pwn" to bring up Clinton going to Epstein's Island, while D-voters respond, "yeah, and? Lock him up, too." We don't want these people who lie to us and glad hand for corporations, but it's marginally better than the alternative.
- specialist 3mo ago
  The worse things get, the better they do. It's an insidious, vicious cycle.
  - mcmoor 3mo ago
    This is why I don't trust libertarians in office. They're incentivised to do a bad job.
  - idiotsecant 3mo ago
    No, this isn't a natural law of the universe. Sometimes thing get worse and then stay bad for a long, long time. We happen to exist in a relatively stable, prosperous period. We have used that prosperity to build a system that is more complex and brittle than any time in the history of the species. It won't be pretty when we reach the inevitable crisis. The people in charge have never seen suffering and don't understand the essential role they have in preventing it. Instead they're disassembling the plane for parts while we hurtle toward the ground.
  - sofixa 3mo ago
    Iran, Haiti, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight.
    - Semaphor 3mo ago
      > Iran, Haiti, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight. Unless I’m completely misunderstanding things, it’s "better for the party". Our new Nazi party in Germany (AfD) even said something like that openly.
      - hang_semaphor_3 3mo ago
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        cindyllm 3mo ago
- HenryBemis 3mo ago
  Your comment brought the song lyrics from Murder - Sepultura: ... Same hand that builds, destroys Same hand that relieves, betrays Same hand that seeds, burns Same peace that exists, here lies ... Same religion that saves, damns you! I got no comment on the essence of your comment, but (in your implied meaning), the very last of the song was matching what you wrote.
- throw0101a 3mo ago
  > The same party that promotes distrust in the government (that is justified by the abuse the same party does when in power). Perhaps because they know how corrupt they, themselves, are, they assume everyone else is the same way: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror Perhaps the possibility that others are more altruistic does not enter the realm of possibility in their minds.
uoaei 3mo ago
You're playing party politics. That's the risk you take: that the party has goals beyond your (dareisay naive) utopian ideals for civic engagement. Parties are not universally evil, when I malign them in this way it is in full acknowlegment that organization is the nearly singular path to "effect on target" as regards society-scale politics. What I mean is the party per se becomes a superorganism that has always as its first priority self-preservation (a la homeostasis) and it is very worth remembering this when subsuming oneself into their structure.

alterom 3mo ago

>And disheartening that people continue to gravitate to a political party that proudly announces desires to abuse this data. The same party that promotes distrust in the government (that is justified by the abuse the same party does when in power). Amazing, innit.

smaudet 3mo ago
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- nandomrumber 3mo ago
  You should never trust a politician, especially one that claims to be on/in the left. These two statements are equally as vacuous.
  - jibal 3mo ago
    No, the first one is true. It's the copycat comment that is vacuous and doesn't even make any sense -- "in the right" has a clear meaning, "in the left" is nonsense.
    - nandomrumber 3mo ago
      [dead]
  - fc417fc802 3mo ago
    You misunderstood, the meaning was roughly "one who claims his actions to be virtuous".
clipsy 3mo ago
The premise of the Republican party for half a century now has been: "The government can't do anything right, and if you elect us we'll prove it!"
- roenxi 3mo ago
  And it's something of a coin flip whether people prefer that philosophy to the other mob. Trump has made it to a seconds term and is talking about a third because of the stunning policy failures of the US government over the last 50 years.
  - lesuorac 3mo ago
    Were you alive in 2024? Trump won by <1% against an incumbent in a time that incumbents lost by >10%. It's absolutely not that people like Trump, it's just that democrats are inept. Literally all democrats had to do was run somebody that didn't have a record of losing primaries.
    - anjel 3mo ago
      They're not legislatively inept, it's simply that viscerally, the electorate knows both mobs are guilty of the same representational transgressions. The GOP was always the party of big biz, while the dems were fronting as the hoi poloi's party, and everyone kinda figured that out as Trump played that irony and the anger behind it, masterfully. How do you get out from behind that, is what renders them inept.
      - moron4hire 3mo ago
        I think the big difference between the Republicans and Democrats is that the R-electorate votes for R-candidates because they want what the R-candidates are promising, while the D-electorare votes for D-candidates because they don't want what the R-candidates candidates are promising. It's one of the reasons why "both sides" arguments are so frustrating. You can find R-voters who will defend Trump all day, in equal numbers to D-voters who will criticize Biden/Harris. You can see it in the number of R-voters you encounter online who think it's a "pwn" to bring up Clinton going to Epstein's Island, while D-voters respond, "yeah, and? Lock him up, too." We don't want these people who lie to us and glad hand for corporations, but it's marginally better than the alternative.
specialist 3mo ago
The worse things get, the better they do. It's an insidious, vicious cycle.
- mcmoor 3mo ago
  This is why I don't trust libertarians in office. They're incentivised to do a bad job.
- idiotsecant 3mo ago
  No, this isn't a natural law of the universe. Sometimes thing get worse and then stay bad for a long, long time. We happen to exist in a relatively stable, prosperous period. We have used that prosperity to build a system that is more complex and brittle than any time in the history of the species. It won't be pretty when we reach the inevitable crisis. The people in charge have never seen suffering and don't understand the essential role they have in preventing it. Instead they're disassembling the plane for parts while we hurtle toward the ground.
- sofixa 3mo ago
  Iran, Haiti, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight.
  - Semaphor 3mo ago
    > Iran, Haiti, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight. Unless I’m completely misunderstanding things, it’s "better for the party". Our new Nazi party in Germany (AfD) even said something like that openly.
    - hang_semaphor_3 3mo ago
      [flagged]
      - cindyllm 3mo ago
HenryBemis 3mo ago
Your comment brought the song lyrics from Murder - Sepultura: ... Same hand that builds, destroys Same hand that relieves, betrays Same hand that seeds, burns Same peace that exists, here lies ... Same religion that saves, damns you! I got no comment on the essence of your comment, but (in your implied meaning), the very last of the song was matching what you wrote.
throw0101a 3mo ago
> The same party that promotes distrust in the government (that is justified by the abuse the same party does when in power). Perhaps because they know how corrupt they, themselves, are, they assume everyone else is the same way: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror Perhaps the possibility that others are more altruistic does not enter the realm of possibility in their minds.

uoaei 3mo ago

You're playing party politics. That's the risk you take: that the party has goals beyond your (dareisay naive) utopian ideals for civic engagement. Parties are not universally evil, when I malign them in this way it is in full acknowlegment that organization is the nearly singular path to "effect on target" as regards society-scale politics. What I mean is the party per se becomes a superorganism that has always as its first priority self-preservation (a la homeostasis) and it is very worth remembering this when subsuming oneself into their structure.