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I think any new model not demonstrably maybe 20-30% over Deepseek v4 capabilities priced over the price per token of Deepseek is almost automatically deprecated
by 343rwerfd 3mo ago
I think any new model not demonstrably maybe 20-30% over Deepseek v4 capabilities priced over the price per token of Deepseek is almost automatically deprecated as low use model (maybe for Planning).
- giancarlostoro 3mo agoIs Deepseek just eating cost or are people able to host their open models for comparable costs?
- re-thc 3mo agoThey focused on caching and other optimizations.
- psittacus 3mo agoIf openrouter is to be trusted, the cheapest offers that are not from Deepseek itself are: - twice as expensive on the output (1.52 vs 0.87) - six times as expensive on the input (0.33 vs 0.05) https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro?sort=price#pricing https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro?sort=price#pr...
- trollbridge 3mo agoOther people are hosting it in the same order of magnitude. Xioami recently matched DeepSeek’s pricing.
- rsanek 3mo agoLikely CCP-subsidized
- natrys 3mo agoThese things enormously benefit from economies of scale. I am fairly certain their margins might be low but they don't actually sell API at loss, however that doesn't mean your cost footprint would be anywhere as low.
- 0xbadcafebee 3mo agoDeepSeek v4 Pro is not actually that good a model compared to GLM 5.1 and Kimi K2.6. It's an okay coder/thinker for the price.
- bel8 3mo agoHow so? In my experience trying these models using opencode Go, DeepSeek is superior to GLM 5.1. If anything, DS4 has 1 million context window, while GLM 5.1 has 200K. There are also benchmarks comparing the two: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/comparisons/deepseek-v4-pro-vs-glm-5-1#intelligence https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/comparisons/deepseek-v4...