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And if you pay taxes and social security for 20+ years why wouldn’t you be entitled to it? Especially considering you wouldn’t be using expensive programs like

And if you pay taxes and social security for 20+ years why wouldn’t you be entitled to it? Especially considering you wouldn’t be using expensive programs like Medicare.

carlosjobim 3mo ago
You don't have to pay taxes nor social security for 20+ years in order to become a citizen in very many countries. You can live on benefits before becoming a citizen and after becoming a citizen. Usually the requirement is that you are a resident for a set number of years in order to become a citizen.
- aranelsurion 3mo ago
  > You can live on benefits before becoming a citizen and after becoming a citizen What benefits? I don't know every country in the world, in Germany unless you count retirement as a benefit (which is something you pay for and have to reach a certain age that is ever moving upwards) you don't get any assistance if you're not living in the country.
  - carlosjobim 3mo ago
    When was the last time you were called to personally appear and report to the German government, so that they could verify that you are in the country, and not somewhere else? Benefits aren't collected in cash, they are sent to bank accounts. The beneficiary can be anywhere.
    - inigyou 3mo ago
      Germany has address registration, you have to unregister if you leave the country for more than 3 months and having it inaccurate is a crime.
      - carlosjobim 3mo ago
        Oh, in Germany it is illegal to break the law? Good to know! When were you last summoned, or visited at your adress by government officials to verify that you are where you said you'd be?
        inigyou 3mo ago
        About the same time I was last summoned to make sure my house doesn't have a dead body.
    - netsharc 3mo ago
      And if they're suspicious, they can ask to check your passport for exit stamps, or receipts from your local supermarket, restaurant, bar, etc... Oh you pay cash and don't get receipts, let's see what the bank statement says which ATMs you withdraw your money from...
- inigyou 3mo ago
  Most countries have contribution-tested benefits if not means-tested. You definitely can't fast-track citizenship and then start receiving benefits and fuck off.
  - carlosjobim 3mo ago
    Who's talking about fast tracking? It takes the time it takes. But once you are a citizen, receiving benefits requires much less. You can still receive a lot of benefits without being a citizen. You even have the right to receive benefits as an illegal alien. This in many European countries. And those of you who are typing replies before reading the entire comment, go and check the immigration authority websites of your own country first.

And if you pay taxes and social security for 20+ years why wouldn’t you be entitled to it? Especially considering you wouldn’t be using expensive programs like Medicare.

carlosjobim 3mo ago

You don't have to pay taxes nor social security for 20+ years in order to become a citizen in very many countries. You can live on benefits before becoming a citizen and after becoming a citizen. Usually the requirement is that you are a resident for a set number of years in order to become a citizen.

aranelsurion 3mo ago
> You can live on benefits before becoming a citizen and after becoming a citizen What benefits? I don't know every country in the world, in Germany unless you count retirement as a benefit (which is something you pay for and have to reach a certain age that is ever moving upwards) you don't get any assistance if you're not living in the country.
- carlosjobim 3mo ago
  When was the last time you were called to personally appear and report to the German government, so that they could verify that you are in the country, and not somewhere else? Benefits aren't collected in cash, they are sent to bank accounts. The beneficiary can be anywhere.
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    Germany has address registration, you have to unregister if you leave the country for more than 3 months and having it inaccurate is a crime.
    - carlosjobim 3mo ago
      Oh, in Germany it is illegal to break the law? Good to know! When were you last summoned, or visited at your adress by government officials to verify that you are where you said you'd be?
      - inigyou 3mo ago
        About the same time I was last summoned to make sure my house doesn't have a dead body.
  - netsharc 3mo ago
    And if they're suspicious, they can ask to check your passport for exit stamps, or receipts from your local supermarket, restaurant, bar, etc... Oh you pay cash and don't get receipts, let's see what the bank statement says which ATMs you withdraw your money from...
inigyou 3mo ago
Most countries have contribution-tested benefits if not means-tested. You definitely can't fast-track citizenship and then start receiving benefits and fuck off.
- carlosjobim 3mo ago
  Who's talking about fast tracking? It takes the time it takes. But once you are a citizen, receiving benefits requires much less. You can still receive a lot of benefits without being a citizen. You even have the right to receive benefits as an illegal alien. This in many European countries. And those of you who are typing replies before reading the entire comment, go and check the immigration authority websites of your own country first.