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I make privacy tooling and Fable 5 rejects the vast majority of my prompts to analyze and improve the software that I've written. It's bleak.
by Sephr 3mo ago
I make privacy tooling and Fable 5 rejects the vast majority of my prompts to analyze and improve the software that I've written. It's bleak.
- make3 3mo agoWhy is this surprising or a problem?! It's a model demo, & their reasoning is reasonable and fair. Why all this drama.
- CuriouslyC 3mo agoSome people find Anthropic's special blend of paternalism and random incompetence tiresome.
- make3 3mo ago"I will push back and say" it's only paternalism if it's about helping the user's not harm themselves. This is about societal impacts, not wanting their models to be used by some people against other people, as a weapon.
- epolanski 3mo agoBecause you're being allowed to ask and work only on topics that a certain company decides. Local inference has never been so important as it is now.
- cardy31 3mo agoBecause most people in tech never took a philosophy course or an ethics course and think that tech is obviously a good for the world and that there are no downsides to advancing tech. So any efforts that try to apply ethics to it are overreaching, ignorant, and futile in the face of the good that is tech!
- enraged_camel 3mo agoI like this take. Especially because one of the sibling comments framed Anthropic's stance as "paternalism." Trying to be ethical and to minimize harm, even at great expense to one's finances and reputation, is paternalistic apparently.
- zmgsabst 3mo agoNo — we’ve just taken Ethics 102 as well, so we understand good intentions don’t entail positive outcomes, therefore you may need to criticize or oppose people who state good intentions to bring about good outcomes. Insulting and demeaning people for that, rather than engaging their arguments in good faith, is a breach of ethics.
- Rudybega 3mo agoI mean, if you take HN commenters to have the thoughtfulness and foresight of children, then the word kind of works.
- borski 3mo agoNot any efforts. But this one is certainly allowed to be a dumb effort, if it is. Not all things that are called “ethical” or “safety” are worth doing.
- vzcx 3mo agoOr... they just disagree with Anthropic's ethical stances and approach to applying them?
- wolpoli 3mo agoOr alternatively, it is plain and obvious that Anthropic is using ethics to justify business decisions.
- siva7 3mo agoSo i have big news for you my friend as i'm not sure you understand such courses. Taking an ethics course won't make you a more ethical person.. and taking a philosophy course neither.
- make3 3mo agoYou're being too literal, they're saying people are not thinking with a philosophically interested mind, which is blatantly the case here, their point stands.
- anakaine 3mo agoTech demo + theres the ability to provide feedback right at the answer interface if using the UI. Provide feedback in the negative, a brief explanation, and move on with your day. It will improve with feedback, not with whinging into the void.
- pixelmelt 3mo agoIronically making a stink about it online is likely to have a larger impact then using their dedicated feedback or support channels (which go to claude, not a person)
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoAnthropic refused to let Fable analyze my own project's memory safety, the one thing I absolutely wanted it to do. Even Fable thought it was stupid.