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But we're now spending and working on this gap like crazy.

4gotunameagain 3mo ago
And we will end up using those weapons against eachother, again. As if we haven't seen that film before. Or even worse, keep selling them to Israel as Germany is doing, because one genocide was not enough and two wrongs make a right.
- x3ro 3mo ago
  I don't understand why this is being downvoted. It's not unreasonable to assume that increased militarization, coupled with increased nationalistic sentiment, could lead to inner-european conflicts escalating into wars. Sure, right now Russia is the enemy, but who knows what'll happen in ten years. And the military machinery is not just going to be scaled down immediately. If he's being downvoted for his "selling weapons to Israel" comment, I just want to highlight that even a majority of Germans is against it, with 80% not wanting to send weapons [1]. Of course there are different polls, and others find that "only" 30% say "stop them", plus another 43% saying "limit them [2]. Either way, only a small minority is pro "send all the weapons". [1]: https://www.plan.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/detail/80-prozent-der-deutschen-fordern-einen-stopp-der-waffenlieferungen-an-israel.html https://www.plan.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/detail/80-proz... [2]: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1615302/umfrage/umfrage-zu-deutschen-waffenexporte-nach-israel/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1615302/umfra...
  - chatmasta 3mo ago
    Follow the Yugoslavia model and ship soldiers from each country to live and work with each other in their first years in military service. Then again… Yugoslavia maybe not the best example here…
  - roenxi 3mo ago
    > I don't understand why this is being downvoted. Wars and military matters are literally life and death. I try not to speculate about downvotes, but here I expect there are people who are primed to get quite emotional when someone tells them they shouldn't start arming up.
  - snowpid 3mo ago
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    - 4gotunameagain 3mo ago
      Oh so the UN is a huge red flag now ? Have you seen before & after photos of Gaza ? Have you watched documentaries about the lives of Palestineans inside Israel ? If you have a shred of humanity left in you you should oppose zionism and the religious fundamentalist state that Israel has become with every fibre of your being.
      - throw47931 3mo ago
        If this was about humanity you would oppose suffering and violence on both sides and strive for a solution that involves all the humans in that region living in peace and harmony. Having extreme hatred for one side is exactly what perpetuates the cycle and doesn’t make you a good person.
        snowpid 3mo ago
        Thanks! I only would consider people worthy to discuss if they are agree on this. Most of the time people dont.
        4gotunameagain 3mo ago
        I do not harbour hatred for any arbitrary collective group of humans, only for the actions of states and organisations which I perceive as the perpetrators and perpetuators of the cycles of violence. Israel has both the power and the means to stop this. But not the will. If they stopped expansionism, settling, and the embargo of Palestinian territories, violence would decrease over time. Occupying more land and razing cities to the ground does the exact opposite.
        throw47931 3mo ago
        You are repeating tropes that are totally irrational if you look at the facts yourself. Can you tell me by how many square miles Israel has expanded since 1970? It actually shrank by more than 50% They completely withdrew from Lebanon and were subsequently attacked by Hezbollah. They withdrew from Gaza and the Gazans elected Hamas. Just open Google maps and zoom out until you can see all the Muslim countries, Israel is barely a visible speck. It’s like 2% the size of Egypt and 1% the size of Iran - and that has not significantly changed in more than 50 years.

And we will end up using those weapons against eachother, again. As if we haven't seen that film before. Or even worse, keep selling them to Israel as Germany is doing, because one genocide was not enough and two wrongs make a right.

x3ro 3mo ago
I don't understand why this is being downvoted. It's not unreasonable to assume that increased militarization, coupled with increased nationalistic sentiment, could lead to inner-european conflicts escalating into wars. Sure, right now Russia is the enemy, but who knows what'll happen in ten years. And the military machinery is not just going to be scaled down immediately. If he's being downvoted for his "selling weapons to Israel" comment, I just want to highlight that even a majority of Germans is against it, with 80% not wanting to send weapons [1]. Of course there are different polls, and others find that "only" 30% say "stop them", plus another 43% saying "limit them [2]. Either way, only a small minority is pro "send all the weapons". [1]: https://www.plan.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/detail/80-prozent-der-deutschen-fordern-einen-stopp-der-waffenlieferungen-an-israel.html https://www.plan.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/detail/80-proz... [2]: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1615302/umfrage/umfrage-zu-deutschen-waffenexporte-nach-israel/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1615302/umfra...
- chatmasta 3mo ago
  Follow the Yugoslavia model and ship soldiers from each country to live and work with each other in their first years in military service. Then again… Yugoslavia maybe not the best example here…
- roenxi 3mo ago
  > I don't understand why this is being downvoted. Wars and military matters are literally life and death. I try not to speculate about downvotes, but here I expect there are people who are primed to get quite emotional when someone tells them they shouldn't start arming up.
- snowpid 3mo ago
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  - 4gotunameagain 3mo ago
    Oh so the UN is a huge red flag now ? Have you seen before & after photos of Gaza ? Have you watched documentaries about the lives of Palestineans inside Israel ? If you have a shred of humanity left in you you should oppose zionism and the religious fundamentalist state that Israel has become with every fibre of your being.
    - throw47931 3mo ago
      If this was about humanity you would oppose suffering and violence on both sides and strive for a solution that involves all the humans in that region living in peace and harmony. Having extreme hatred for one side is exactly what perpetuates the cycle and doesn’t make you a good person.
      - snowpid 3mo ago
        Thanks! I only would consider people worthy to discuss if they are agree on this. Most of the time people dont.
      - 4gotunameagain 3mo ago
        I do not harbour hatred for any arbitrary collective group of humans, only for the actions of states and organisations which I perceive as the perpetrators and perpetuators of the cycles of violence. Israel has both the power and the means to stop this. But not the will. If they stopped expansionism, settling, and the embargo of Palestinian territories, violence would decrease over time. Occupying more land and razing cities to the ground does the exact opposite.
        throw47931 3mo ago
        You are repeating tropes that are totally irrational if you look at the facts yourself. Can you tell me by how many square miles Israel has expanded since 1970? It actually shrank by more than 50% They completely withdrew from Lebanon and were subsequently attacked by Hezbollah. They withdrew from Gaza and the Gazans elected Hamas. Just open Google maps and zoom out until you can see all the Muslim countries, Israel is barely a visible speck. It’s like 2% the size of Egypt and 1% the size of Iran - and that has not significantly changed in more than 50 years.