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Brexit harming the growth of both UK and EU is another perfectly valid interpretation of those numbers. I'm sure there's a little truth to both, and noise from

Brexit harming the growth of both UK and EU is another perfectly valid interpretation of those numbers. I'm sure there's a little truth to both, and noise from all kinds of other factors.

AlexandrB 3mo ago
I don't know about that. Canada also tracked the UK more closely than the US and it was not involved in Brexit[1]. The US just did really well during this time. [1] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?end=2024&locations=CA-US-GB-DE&start=2004 https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?end=2024...
Zigurd 3mo ago
It's not all noise. Being able to live, work, or study anywhere in the Schengen zone has tremendous value. But it doesn't show up in GDP numbers. Brexit harmed the young people of UK, and they hate it.
- mytailorisrich 3mo ago
  Regarding the UK specifically, very few people chose to study in the EU when they could while many in the EU wanted to study in the UK. British unis are a huge asset to the country that also brings a lot of money from foreign students. Same for young people wanting to come work in UK/London. Frankly, I think the "harm" done to young British people is vastly overblown and more symbolic than actual.
  - Zigurd 3mo ago
    Young people voted against Brexit by 2 to 1. If anything they are more opposed now. Perhaps they know if they've been harmed or not.
    - mytailorisrich 3mo ago
      They voted 'remain' but, as said, what they feel and what the facts are are not the same thing. They might be pissed off that they cannot just go study in the EU anymore but the fact is that they didn't when they could... Even today, they can obviously register to study abroad, just need a visa like everyone else, and considering the English unis' tuition fees they would actually save money by doing so but hardly anyone does because of the language barrier (same as when the UK was in the EU). So IMHO it is a case of FOMO. It's the EU students who have lost out because they must now pay hefty tuition fees (like £35k+ a year) if they wish to study in British unis so most of them have given up. British unis don't really care because they are in high demand globally, anyway.
      - Zigurd 3mo ago
        Your response amounts to: ignore what the people affected value, only pay attention to a cherry picked number. Even the number you cherry picked is only valued by people who resent students coming to the UK and think they ought to pay steep tuition fee fees, which is just weird. Who benefits? Certainly not the students who would otherwise gain an international perspective.
        mytailorisrich 3mo ago
        This is a very odd reply. I have not cherry-picked anything and I think assessing what people value has to look at how they act and behave, not just at what they say. Not many UK students choose to study in Europe (I suspect in large part because of the language barrier). That was true when the UK was in the EU and it is true now when doing so is not super hard and would save them money. So maybe they valued the idea of being able to 'just go study in Europe' but they didn't do it much... Hence, minimal actual harm. > Even the number you cherry picked is only valued by people who resent students coming to the UK and think they ought to pay steep tuition fee fees, which is just weird I have no idea how you got that idea from my previous comment... It is difficult to discuss anything related to Brexit.

Brexit harming the growth of both UK and EU is another perfectly valid interpretation of those numbers. I'm sure there's a little truth to both, and noise from all kinds of other factors.

AlexandrB 3mo ago

I don't know about that. Canada also tracked the UK more closely than the US and it was not involved in Brexit[1]. The US just did really well during this time. [1] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?end=2024&locations=CA-US-GB-DE&start=2004 https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?end=2024...

Zigurd 3mo ago

It's not all noise. Being able to live, work, or study anywhere in the Schengen zone has tremendous value. But it doesn't show up in GDP numbers. Brexit harmed the young people of UK, and they hate it.

mytailorisrich 3mo ago
Regarding the UK specifically, very few people chose to study in the EU when they could while many in the EU wanted to study in the UK. British unis are a huge asset to the country that also brings a lot of money from foreign students. Same for young people wanting to come work in UK/London. Frankly, I think the "harm" done to young British people is vastly overblown and more symbolic than actual.
- Zigurd 3mo ago
  Young people voted against Brexit by 2 to 1. If anything they are more opposed now. Perhaps they know if they've been harmed or not.
  - mytailorisrich 3mo ago
    They voted 'remain' but, as said, what they feel and what the facts are are not the same thing. They might be pissed off that they cannot just go study in the EU anymore but the fact is that they didn't when they could... Even today, they can obviously register to study abroad, just need a visa like everyone else, and considering the English unis' tuition fees they would actually save money by doing so but hardly anyone does because of the language barrier (same as when the UK was in the EU). So IMHO it is a case of FOMO. It's the EU students who have lost out because they must now pay hefty tuition fees (like £35k+ a year) if they wish to study in British unis so most of them have given up. British unis don't really care because they are in high demand globally, anyway.
    - Zigurd 3mo ago
      Your response amounts to: ignore what the people affected value, only pay attention to a cherry picked number. Even the number you cherry picked is only valued by people who resent students coming to the UK and think they ought to pay steep tuition fee fees, which is just weird. Who benefits? Certainly not the students who would otherwise gain an international perspective.
      - mytailorisrich 3mo ago
        This is a very odd reply. I have not cherry-picked anything and I think assessing what people value has to look at how they act and behave, not just at what they say. Not many UK students choose to study in Europe (I suspect in large part because of the language barrier). That was true when the UK was in the EU and it is true now when doing so is not super hard and would save them money. So maybe they valued the idea of being able to 'just go study in Europe' but they didn't do it much... Hence, minimal actual harm. > Even the number you cherry picked is only valued by people who resent students coming to the UK and think they ought to pay steep tuition fee fees, which is just weird I have no idea how you got that idea from my previous comment... It is difficult to discuss anything related to Brexit.