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So what?! How much time it takes to install a different/newer browser? I tell you - less than a minute. There.

by BadDesign 14y ago

pavel_lishin 14y ago
> How much time it takes to install a different/newer browser? In a corporate environment? Anywhere from days to years.
- BadDesign 14y ago
  Where the heck do you live? What "corporate environments" ? I work for several years as a software developer in the "corporate world" and I can install whatever the heck I want on my machine.
  - pavel_lishin 14y ago
    It's a bit different for software developers; we can easily and rightfully claim that we need to be able to control our machines. For accountants, insurance adjusters, secretaries, lawyers, it may not be so simple.
abk 14y ago
You'd be surprised by how many people won't do that. In my opinion, it's your job as a designer / developer to make sure your product works for as many people as reasonably possible, and not expect users to jump through hoops (no matter how small) to use it.
- magicalist 14y ago
  I definitely agree (to a point...I don't test with IE6 or IE7 anymore unless budget and time is specifically allocated for them), but "make sure your product works for as many people as reasonably possible" is not to be confused with "make sure your product works the same for as many people as reasonably possible". I'm happy to serve static images to older browsers with an unintrusive note telling them what they're missing and how they can get it.
  - abk 14y ago
    Oh I agree that graceful degradation is a very viable option for older browsers.
- BadDesign 14y ago
  "it's your job as a designer / developer to make sure your product works for as many people as reasonably possible, and not expect users to jump through hoops (no matter how small) to use it." I totally disagree. Why it should be my job? Do you want to use my product? Then use the right environment where my product works as it should, otherwise GTFO. I don't want my product be used by incompetent users. Its 2012, people ought to be educated about technology.

So what?! How much time it takes to install a different/newer browser? I tell you - less than a minute. There.

pavel_lishin 14y ago

> How much time it takes to install a different/newer browser? In a corporate environment? Anywhere from days to years.

BadDesign 14y ago
Where the heck do you live? What "corporate environments" ? I work for several years as a software developer in the "corporate world" and I can install whatever the heck I want on my machine.
- pavel_lishin 14y ago
  It's a bit different for software developers; we can easily and rightfully claim that we need to be able to control our machines. For accountants, insurance adjusters, secretaries, lawyers, it may not be so simple.

abk 14y ago

You'd be surprised by how many people won't do that. In my opinion, it's your job as a designer / developer to make sure your product works for as many people as reasonably possible, and not expect users to jump through hoops (no matter how small) to use it.

magicalist 14y ago
I definitely agree (to a point...I don't test with IE6 or IE7 anymore unless budget and time is specifically allocated for them), but "make sure your product works for as many people as reasonably possible" is not to be confused with "make sure your product works the same for as many people as reasonably possible". I'm happy to serve static images to older browsers with an unintrusive note telling them what they're missing and how they can get it.
- abk 14y ago
  Oh I agree that graceful degradation is a very viable option for older browsers.
BadDesign 14y ago
"it's your job as a designer / developer to make sure your product works for as many people as reasonably possible, and not expect users to jump through hoops (no matter how small) to use it." I totally disagree. Why it should be my job? Do you want to use my product? Then use the right environment where my product works as it should, otherwise GTFO. I don't want my product be used by incompetent users. Its 2012, people ought to be educated about technology.