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Maybe those who participate in democracy should have to demonstrate some level educations on the topics they vote on? Because if you are right it’s a loosing b

Maybe those who participate in democracy should have to demonstrate some level educations on the topics they vote on? Because if you are right it’s a loosing battle. The masses will always be under informed, and under educated. And the only way to inform and educate them would result very undemocratic society.

mohamedkoubaa 3mo ago
Educated is not the same axis as informed
- mbrumlow 3mo ago
  Correct, the word “and” is a coordinating conjunction. It joins two parallel adjectives. They’re related, but they’re not the same axis.
awesome_dude 3mo ago
> Maybe those who participate in democracy should have to demonstrate some level educations on the topics they vote on? This has been raised for decades, if not centuries. The problem is that what is or isn't considered an educated view is /heavily/ dependent on... the political bent of the person(s) articulating the view, and the person(s) making the determination. What's worse is that "fringe" views can often lead us to something that has previously been overlooked. Finally - Australia has 100% compulsory voting - everyone must vote in elections, else receive a fine. That's intended to be sure that everyone is involved in providing their opinion on how the political body that's being voted on is an accurate reflection of the people being governed. What it doesn't do is force people to care, and a phenomena known as a "Donkey vote" occurs. You can force people to attend classes educating them on civics, but you cannot force them to absorb, or even care, because, for a lot of people, politics is so repulsive - all they see is people squabbling about abstract ideas that the voters have next to no understanding how, or even if, it will affect them.
AnimalMuppet 3mo ago
And who is going to determine which voters are sufficiently educated on the topics to be allowed to vote? Do you not see how that could become problematic, in the wrong hands? Would you trust that power in Trump's hands? If so, would you have trusted it in Biden's? "Keep it from getting into the wrong hands, forever" is not a workable plan. The correct plan is "the government doesn't get that power".
- lukas221 3mo ago
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  - Joker_vD 3mo ago
    No, you have to pick between Biden and Trump because the leadership of the only two parties that matter in the US can't find anyone better suited (for them) for running for president. After all, the people can only vote for the candidates that managed to end up on the voting ballot.
    - AnimalMuppet 3mo ago
      For the Republicans, Trump actually came out of the primary process. That is, he was actually voted on, and not just by the leadership. For the Democrats, Hillary, Biden, and Harris all came due to meddling by the leadership. They should consider knocking that off; it's not giving them good candidates.

mohamedkoubaa 3mo ago

Educated is not the same axis as informed

mbrumlow 3mo ago
Correct, the word “and” is a coordinating conjunction. It joins two parallel adjectives. They’re related, but they’re not the same axis.

awesome_dude 3mo ago

> Maybe those who participate in democracy should have to demonstrate some level educations on the topics they vote on? This has been raised for decades, if not centuries. The problem is that what is or isn't considered an educated view is /heavily/ dependent on... the political bent of the person(s) articulating the view, and the person(s) making the determination. What's worse is that "fringe" views can often lead us to something that has previously been overlooked. Finally - Australia has 100% compulsory voting - everyone must vote in elections, else receive a fine. That's intended to be sure that everyone is involved in providing their opinion on how the political body that's being voted on is an accurate reflection of the people being governed. What it doesn't do is force people to care, and a phenomena known as a "Donkey vote" occurs. You can force people to attend classes educating them on civics, but you cannot force them to absorb, or even care, because, for a lot of people, politics is so repulsive - all they see is people squabbling about abstract ideas that the voters have next to no understanding how, or even if, it will affect them.

AnimalMuppet 3mo ago

And who is going to determine which voters are sufficiently educated on the topics to be allowed to vote? Do you not see how that could become problematic, in the wrong hands? Would you trust that power in Trump's hands? If so, would you have trusted it in Biden's? "Keep it from getting into the wrong hands, forever" is not a workable plan. The correct plan is "the government doesn't get that power".

lukas221 3mo ago
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- Joker_vD 3mo ago
  No, you have to pick between Biden and Trump because the leadership of the only two parties that matter in the US can't find anyone better suited (for them) for running for president. After all, the people can only vote for the candidates that managed to end up on the voting ballot.
  - AnimalMuppet 3mo ago
    For the Republicans, Trump actually came out of the primary process. That is, he was actually voted on, and not just by the leadership. For the Democrats, Hillary, Biden, and Harris all came due to meddling by the leadership. They should consider knocking that off; it's not giving them good candidates.