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Public Domain Image Archive

261 points by davidbarker 3mo ago

acidhousemcnab 3mo ago
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neilv 3mo ago
Does anyone know how easily you can do "copyright clearance" for these supposedly public domain images? For example, the page for the first image I clicked on said: Date 1833 Underlying Rights Public Domain Worldwide Digital Rights No Additional Rights * Source states “no known restrictions” * We offer this info as guidance only with a link to: https://pdimagearchive.org/reusing-images/ https://pdimagearchive.org/reusing-images/ If, for example, you design the cover of a self-published book around such an image, is Amazon KDP going to reject it, because they don't accept that screenshot as sufficient proof of rights?
- mmh0000 3mo ago
  Just contact the original author. You may need to pay extra for the Medium.
  - bawolff 3mo ago
    I know this is a joke, but just as a note, in some european countries, the person who digitized the artwork may have a copyright. It varries a bit by country.
    - neilv 3mo ago
      Exactly. The site mentions that and some other problems, and just disclaimers their liability. One problem I didn't see mentioned directly is that some venues have additional bureaucratic rules. For example, I saw a writer-artist complain that they couldn't show the big ebook store proof that they'd licensed the art for their cover, since they painted it themself, and there was no documentation licensing it to them. So one could use practical advice from someone who's figured out the rules, and has the battle scars, like: "With public domain art, just make sure you do X and avoid Y; otherwise, there's a 50% chance that a random copyright check the first week will result in your book temporarily being shadowbanned, and you won't get the crucial early sales while the algorithm is trialing exposure of your book in searches and categories, and then the algorithm will pretty much never show your book to anyone ever again."
      - bawolff 3mo ago
        Fwiw, i think wikimedia commons has some really good help pages on what is and is not public domain: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Public_domain https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Public_domain https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panora... https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reuse_of_PD-Art_photographs https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reuse_of_PD-Art_p... https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:De_minimis https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:De_minimis Of course sometimes its just a risk trade off, and depends more on how the publisher feels then what the actual rules are.
        neilv 3mo ago
        What I'm wondering is -- although an item would be found to be legally considered public domain in all applicable jurisdictions when examined by law clerk -- what are the practical rules for passing copyright clearance checks/challenges by Amazon, Kobo, etc. for public domain art. You don't want a book's carefully choreographed launch sabotaged by various companies' Kafkaesque bureaucratic processes, while you're trying to finesse the algorithm and the publicity you've scheduled. (I should've said upfront that I know a bit about public domain and copyright law as a layperson. And I also know that I can't necessarily point a CSR to law surveys if something gets flagged. I need to know the "do X and avoid Y" that is proven to actually work smoothly with all these companies' ideas of "copyright clearance", so that I hopefully never have to talk to a CSR.)
- wongarsu 3mo ago
  Search for public records about the image. If you can confirm the author is dead for at least 70 years (in case the author originally held the copyright) and the work is at least 120 years old or was published more than 95 years ago (in case this was work for hire) you are good For younger works other conditions might make a work public domain, like the work being created by a US federal government employee as part of their duties
- driverdan 3mo ago
  Go to the source, it's linked above that metadata. That will be a better resource for its copyright status.
mmh0000 3mo ago
I do not know how this site managed to break mousewheel scrolling so badly, but I am quite impressed.
- vibcdingenjoyer 3mo ago
  I haven’t tried it on desktop but on mobile, the “infinite” view is quite nice.
  - mmh0000 3mo ago
    On desktop Firefox, if you scroll while the mouse is on the top half of the first row of images, it goes very wonky.
- woogiegie 3mo ago
  Same here, the scroll behavior in Infinite View is really ...
zuzululu 3mo ago
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- rectang 3mo ago
  Eventually there will be successful copyright lawsuits for derivative images produced by LLMs. Copyright laundering is an illusion.
  - zuzululu 3mo ago
    Delulu take but lets say it goes to court, how would they be able to reproduce the entire process that was used to generate the image aka the training, hardware in the tens of millions, reverse engineering and finding their own training data enough to exactly match the output from the frontier models. How would you order them to reveal their proprietary and protected IP so you can then recreate the exact same model , produce the exact same pixel by pixel accurate image, over and over repeatedly enough to satisfy staticians and jury? How would you then rely on this carbon copy of the frontier model to argue the model isn't learning that it's not actually finding the style and applying it to the output, exactly like some art student flipping through other artists work to reproduce it by learning their style The entire US economy wouldn't be banking on AI if they were just going to let some patreon furry pornographer win a landmark case against the top 5 biggest capitalized company don't you think? I'll let you keep dreaming if it makes you happy.
    - dredmorbius 3mo ago
      Most legal tests to date have been on training data rather than generated works, though the number of instances in which training works emerge from prompts of AI LLM engines suggests the latter may also be problematic. So far there's no binding precedent, but if a work can be shown to be in training data, then there's no need to trace it through the full generative chain as you outline. See, e.g.: <https://astraea.law/insights/ai-training-data-copyright https://astraea.law/insights/ai-training-data-copyright>.
jamwise 3mo ago
I don't know if I'll ever use this but that "Infinite View" is a lot of fun, I just lost 20 minutes before snapping myself out of a trance. Some really cool pictures in there.
rectang 3mo ago
There are lots of sites that provide images that somebody has claimed are public domain. But for significant use, you what you really need is provenance documentation. These folks seem to be more up-front about the issue than many sites I’ve seen: https://pdimagearchive.org/reusing-images/ https://pdimagearchive.org/reusing-images/ > On each image page we communicate to the best of our knowledge the rights status of both the underlying work and the digital copy of this work. We provide this information based on a basic knowledge of copyright law and what is communicated by the source institution — it is strictly meant as a guideline and it should not be taken as legal advice. We admit no responsibility for any untoward consequences that may arise through reuse of material featured on our site. If you are requiring certainty as to usage allowed for an image, then you are encouraged to check with the source institution and make your own investigations.
- bentley 3mo ago
  Standard Ebooks has a database of public domain oil paintings for use as book covers. SE is strict about copyright clearance and requires either scans of a copyright‐expired publication containing the painting, or an explicit statement from a reputable museum that the work is CC0. Here’s an entry I contributed: https://standardebooks.org/artworks/arthur-i-keller/calvin-coolidge-taking-the-oath-of-office https://standardebooks.org/artworks/arthur-i-keller/calvin-c...
  - robin_reala 3mo ago
    To be specific, this is US public domain only (which is globally non-standard).
    - graemep 3mo ago
      Nothing is globally standard. On the other hand they do allow search by century and very little from the 19th (and none earlier) century is still in copyright anywhere. There is a possible problem with countries where a photographer can have copyright over their photograph of an earlier work. Again, there is not global standard.
samcgraw 3mo ago
This is just the kind of thing I love about the open internet: the insane amount of art available in archives, (e.g. https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/ https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/, https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en, the Met, etc). Adding this to the list for one of my side projects[0]. [0] https://flaneur.ink https://flaneur.ink
- troupo 3mo ago
  For your sife project, it would be nice to see a preview of what you're sending Edit: I saw the small link to examples :)
helterskelter 3mo ago
Looks like PDR finally implemented the "buy a giclée print of anything" feature! Previously you could only buy prints of select works.
sourcecodeplz 3mo ago
Don't websites like these popup every year, almost same images, different design? You never actually know if you can really use those images for free actually..
dvh 3mo ago
“An old Welsh woman made out of a banana with a nut for her head. The cat is made from two nuts and some matches.”: https://pdimagearchive.org/images/f658baa9-14be-4002-8b13-789e39b05a04/ https://pdimagearchive.org/images/f658baa9-14be-4002-8b13-78...
AltruisticGapHN 3mo ago
Superb site. Just annoying in the Infinite View it keeps opening random pages when I just want to drag and scroll.
- brettermeier 3mo ago
  Unfortunately, the infinite scroll page doesn't work very well... but this one scrolls normal and doesn't open random pages, and it seems to be the same stream of picutures: https://pdimagearchive.org/galleries/all/random/desc https://pdimagearchive.org/galleries/all/random/desc
- ezekiel68 3mo ago
  I had no trouble with it once I realized it wanted me to drag the border area.
dukeofdoom 3mo ago
This is great, came across an image of a Labyrinth, which led me to a 1920s book about Labyrinths. I'm currently making a game level with hedge mazes. Thanks.
alentodorov 3mo ago
feels so refreshing to see a website without the obvious-ai elements.
geoffbp 3mo ago
The infinite view is cool, a bit addictive :)

261 points by davidbarker 3mo ago

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neilv 3mo ago

Does anyone know how easily you can do "copyright clearance" for these supposedly public domain images? For example, the page for the first image I clicked on said: Date 1833 Underlying Rights Public Domain Worldwide Digital Rights No Additional Rights * Source states “no known restrictions” * We offer this info as guidance only with a link to: https://pdimagearchive.org/reusing-images/ https://pdimagearchive.org/reusing-images/ If, for example, you design the cover of a self-published book around such an image, is Amazon KDP going to reject it, because they don't accept that screenshot as sufficient proof of rights?

mmh0000 3mo ago
Just contact the original author. You may need to pay extra for the Medium.
- bawolff 3mo ago
  I know this is a joke, but just as a note, in some european countries, the person who digitized the artwork may have a copyright. It varries a bit by country.
  - neilv 3mo ago
    Exactly. The site mentions that and some other problems, and just disclaimers their liability. One problem I didn't see mentioned directly is that some venues have additional bureaucratic rules. For example, I saw a writer-artist complain that they couldn't show the big ebook store proof that they'd licensed the art for their cover, since they painted it themself, and there was no documentation licensing it to them. So one could use practical advice from someone who's figured out the rules, and has the battle scars, like: "With public domain art, just make sure you do X and avoid Y; otherwise, there's a 50% chance that a random copyright check the first week will result in your book temporarily being shadowbanned, and you won't get the crucial early sales while the algorithm is trialing exposure of your book in searches and categories, and then the algorithm will pretty much never show your book to anyone ever again."
    - bawolff 3mo ago
      Fwiw, i think wikimedia commons has some really good help pages on what is and is not public domain: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Public_domain https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Public_domain https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panora... https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reuse_of_PD-Art_photographs https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reuse_of_PD-Art_p... https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:De_minimis https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:De_minimis Of course sometimes its just a risk trade off, and depends more on how the publisher feels then what the actual rules are.
      - neilv 3mo ago
        What I'm wondering is -- although an item would be found to be legally considered public domain in all applicable jurisdictions when examined by law clerk -- what are the practical rules for passing copyright clearance checks/challenges by Amazon, Kobo, etc. for public domain art. You don't want a book's carefully choreographed launch sabotaged by various companies' Kafkaesque bureaucratic processes, while you're trying to finesse the algorithm and the publicity you've scheduled. (I should've said upfront that I know a bit about public domain and copyright law as a layperson. And I also know that I can't necessarily point a CSR to law surveys if something gets flagged. I need to know the "do X and avoid Y" that is proven to actually work smoothly with all these companies' ideas of "copyright clearance", so that I hopefully never have to talk to a CSR.)
wongarsu 3mo ago
Search for public records about the image. If you can confirm the author is dead for at least 70 years (in case the author originally held the copyright) and the work is at least 120 years old or was published more than 95 years ago (in case this was work for hire) you are good For younger works other conditions might make a work public domain, like the work being created by a US federal government employee as part of their duties
driverdan 3mo ago
Go to the source, it's linked above that metadata. That will be a better resource for its copyright status.

mmh0000 3mo ago

I do not know how this site managed to break mousewheel scrolling so badly, but I am quite impressed.

vibcdingenjoyer 3mo ago
I haven’t tried it on desktop but on mobile, the “infinite” view is quite nice.
- mmh0000 3mo ago
  On desktop Firefox, if you scroll while the mouse is on the top half of the first row of images, it goes very wonky.
woogiegie 3mo ago
Same here, the scroll behavior in Infinite View is really ...

zuzululu 3mo ago

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rectang 3mo ago
Eventually there will be successful copyright lawsuits for derivative images produced by LLMs. Copyright laundering is an illusion.
- zuzululu 3mo ago
  Delulu take but lets say it goes to court, how would they be able to reproduce the entire process that was used to generate the image aka the training, hardware in the tens of millions, reverse engineering and finding their own training data enough to exactly match the output from the frontier models. How would you order them to reveal their proprietary and protected IP so you can then recreate the exact same model , produce the exact same pixel by pixel accurate image, over and over repeatedly enough to satisfy staticians and jury? How would you then rely on this carbon copy of the frontier model to argue the model isn't learning that it's not actually finding the style and applying it to the output, exactly like some art student flipping through other artists work to reproduce it by learning their style The entire US economy wouldn't be banking on AI if they were just going to let some patreon furry pornographer win a landmark case against the top 5 biggest capitalized company don't you think? I'll let you keep dreaming if it makes you happy.
  - dredmorbius 3mo ago
    Most legal tests to date have been on training data rather than generated works, though the number of instances in which training works emerge from prompts of AI LLM engines suggests the latter may also be problematic. So far there's no binding precedent, but if a work can be shown to be in training data, then there's no need to trace it through the full generative chain as you outline. See, e.g.: <https://astraea.law/insights/ai-training-data-copyright https://astraea.law/insights/ai-training-data-copyright>.

jamwise 3mo ago

I don't know if I'll ever use this but that "Infinite View" is a lot of fun, I just lost 20 minutes before snapping myself out of a trance. Some really cool pictures in there.

rectang 3mo ago

There are lots of sites that provide images that somebody has claimed are public domain. But for significant use, you what you really need is provenance documentation. These folks seem to be more up-front about the issue than many sites I’ve seen: https://pdimagearchive.org/reusing-images/ https://pdimagearchive.org/reusing-images/ > On each image page we communicate to the best of our knowledge the rights status of both the underlying work and the digital copy of this work. We provide this information based on a basic knowledge of copyright law and what is communicated by the source institution — it is strictly meant as a guideline and it should not be taken as legal advice. We admit no responsibility for any untoward consequences that may arise through reuse of material featured on our site. If you are requiring certainty as to usage allowed for an image, then you are encouraged to check with the source institution and make your own investigations.

bentley 3mo ago
Standard Ebooks has a database of public domain oil paintings for use as book covers. SE is strict about copyright clearance and requires either scans of a copyright‐expired publication containing the painting, or an explicit statement from a reputable museum that the work is CC0. Here’s an entry I contributed: https://standardebooks.org/artworks/arthur-i-keller/calvin-coolidge-taking-the-oath-of-office https://standardebooks.org/artworks/arthur-i-keller/calvin-c...
- robin_reala 3mo ago
  To be specific, this is US public domain only (which is globally non-standard).
  - graemep 3mo ago
    Nothing is globally standard. On the other hand they do allow search by century and very little from the 19th (and none earlier) century is still in copyright anywhere. There is a possible problem with countries where a photographer can have copyright over their photograph of an earlier work. Again, there is not global standard.

samcgraw 3mo ago

This is just the kind of thing I love about the open internet: the insane amount of art available in archives, (e.g. https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/ https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/, https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en, the Met, etc). Adding this to the list for one of my side projects[0]. [0] https://flaneur.ink https://flaneur.ink

troupo 3mo ago
For your sife project, it would be nice to see a preview of what you're sending Edit: I saw the small link to examples :)

helterskelter 3mo ago

Looks like PDR finally implemented the "buy a giclée print of anything" feature! Previously you could only buy prints of select works.

sourcecodeplz 3mo ago

Don't websites like these popup every year, almost same images, different design? You never actually know if you can really use those images for free actually..

dvh 3mo ago

“An old Welsh woman made out of a banana with a nut for her head. The cat is made from two nuts and some matches.”: https://pdimagearchive.org/images/f658baa9-14be-4002-8b13-789e39b05a04/ https://pdimagearchive.org/images/f658baa9-14be-4002-8b13-78...

AltruisticGapHN 3mo ago

Superb site. Just annoying in the Infinite View it keeps opening random pages when I just want to drag and scroll.

brettermeier 3mo ago
Unfortunately, the infinite scroll page doesn't work very well... but this one scrolls normal and doesn't open random pages, and it seems to be the same stream of picutures: https://pdimagearchive.org/galleries/all/random/desc https://pdimagearchive.org/galleries/all/random/desc
ezekiel68 3mo ago
I had no trouble with it once I realized it wanted me to drag the border area.

dukeofdoom 3mo ago

This is great, came across an image of a Labyrinth, which led me to a 1920s book about Labyrinths. I'm currently making a game level with hedge mazes. Thanks.

alentodorov 3mo ago

feels so refreshing to see a website without the obvious-ai elements.

geoffbp 3mo ago

The infinite view is cool, a bit addictive :)