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I don't see how Zig will ever contend with Odin, Jai, C3 and others when they drive away half of the prospective users with activism.

dom96 3mo ago
What activism is that?
- kristoff_it 3mo ago
  trying to make good software :^)
  - quarkz14 3mo ago
    truly a tragedy! how dare you make good software!?!
- sgt 3mo ago
  I've never seen any activism from the Zig crowd (I assume you need Woke and rubbing "pride" or "Ukraine" into everything). Did I miss something?
  - midnight_eclair 3mo ago
    > I assume you need Woke and rubbing "pride" or "Ukraine" into everything wow, what a self report
- IshKebab 3mo ago
  I think they banned AI and moved from GitHub to Codeberg. They don't seem too controversial to me, and IMO they've already comprehensively trounced Odin, Jai and C3.
logicchains 3mo ago
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- Permik 3mo ago
  I'm not sure that if this is an obvious question that has been gone through already, but have any of the death threats relating to Rust stuff actually been "verified" or is it just an opinion that has been repeated enough times until it has been accepted as truth? Just the open amount of discontent towards the language and the community, creates the perfect storm for a malicious individual to pose being a Rust developer that sends death threats for doing things that are not aligned with the values of the language/community.
  - logicchains 3mo ago
    https://steveklabnik.com/writing/a-sad-day-for-rust/ https://steveklabnik.com/writing/a-sad-day-for-rust/
jordand 3mo ago
Activism as in their move away from GitHub? Andrew K recently said in the JetBrains interview that because of moving away, their CI/CD now actually works.
norman784 3mo ago
I recommend you to watch Andrew Kelly interview[0], while I'm not the target audience of Zig, I don't see him driving away any user. Also Jai as for now is a non existing language, just a selected few has access to it, but Jai approach is a kitchen sink, from what I saw it is all over the place in terms of features, now Zig vision feels cohesive. [0] https://youtu.be/iqddnwKF8HQ https://youtu.be/iqddnwKF8HQ
- jraph 3mo ago
  Thanks for sharing that link. That guy seems so nice, quite inspiring.
ulbu 3mo ago
Excuse me, but I think zig grows ever better from driving away users who are driven away by flashy headlines and whatever is the opposite of this “activism” you suggest.
Yokohiii 3mo ago
Jai isn't even available publicly. The license isn't decided. Jonathan Blow doesn't want to deal with open source. Comparing Jai and Zig on that behalf is crazy. Edit: If that is about political activism it's even more crazy. A dude that rambles about woke stuff is political as well. Maybe just aligns with yours.
ksec 3mo ago
>when they drive away half of the prospective users with activism. Like what? Plenty of people here follows Zig here and haven't seen any of it. And by any measure it is the least activism per language usage.

dom96 3mo ago

What activism is that?

kristoff_it 3mo ago
trying to make good software :^)
- quarkz14 3mo ago
  truly a tragedy! how dare you make good software!?!
sgt 3mo ago
I've never seen any activism from the Zig crowd (I assume you need Woke and rubbing "pride" or "Ukraine" into everything). Did I miss something?
- midnight_eclair 3mo ago
  > I assume you need Woke and rubbing "pride" or "Ukraine" into everything wow, what a self report
IshKebab 3mo ago
I think they banned AI and moved from GitHub to Codeberg. They don't seem too controversial to me, and IMO they've already comprehensively trounced Odin, Jai and C3.

logicchains 3mo ago

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Permik 3mo ago
I'm not sure that if this is an obvious question that has been gone through already, but have any of the death threats relating to Rust stuff actually been "verified" or is it just an opinion that has been repeated enough times until it has been accepted as truth? Just the open amount of discontent towards the language and the community, creates the perfect storm for a malicious individual to pose being a Rust developer that sends death threats for doing things that are not aligned with the values of the language/community.
- logicchains 3mo ago
  https://steveklabnik.com/writing/a-sad-day-for-rust/ https://steveklabnik.com/writing/a-sad-day-for-rust/

jordand 3mo ago

Activism as in their move away from GitHub? Andrew K recently said in the JetBrains interview that because of moving away, their CI/CD now actually works.

norman784 3mo ago

I recommend you to watch Andrew Kelly interview[0], while I'm not the target audience of Zig, I don't see him driving away any user. Also Jai as for now is a non existing language, just a selected few has access to it, but Jai approach is a kitchen sink, from what I saw it is all over the place in terms of features, now Zig vision feels cohesive. [0] https://youtu.be/iqddnwKF8HQ https://youtu.be/iqddnwKF8HQ

jraph 3mo ago
Thanks for sharing that link. That guy seems so nice, quite inspiring.

ulbu 3mo ago

Excuse me, but I think zig grows ever better from driving away users who are driven away by flashy headlines and whatever is the opposite of this “activism” you suggest.

Yokohiii 3mo ago

Jai isn't even available publicly. The license isn't decided. Jonathan Blow doesn't want to deal with open source. Comparing Jai and Zig on that behalf is crazy. Edit: If that is about political activism it's even more crazy. A dude that rambles about woke stuff is political as well. Maybe just aligns with yours.

ksec 3mo ago

>when they drive away half of the prospective users with activism. Like what? Plenty of people here follows Zig here and haven't seen any of it. And by any measure it is the least activism per language usage.