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What are the rules? Is it okay to use autocomplete? Are spell checkers accepted? What if I used an AI chatbot to figure out something instead of a traditional s

What are the rules? Is it okay to use autocomplete? Are spell checkers accepted? What if I used an AI chatbot to figure out something instead of a traditional search engine?

jrflo 3mo ago
Is it ok if I used a compiler and didn't write the assembly code by hand?
- vjvjvjvjghv 3mo ago
  Nope. You also can't use a CPU made by big ASML machines. If you decide to go with a mechanical computer I am not sure if a lathe is ok.
  - baobabKoodaa 3mo ago
    You start from a rock and build your own CPU.
- happytoexplain 3mo ago
  It's hard to tell if you're mocking the parent's fallacy or contributing to it.
  - pan69 3mo ago
    I suppose the argument being made is more about the meaning of human made rather than GenAI.
- baobabKoodaa 3mo ago
  You're implying compilers now utilize generative AI somehow? I doubt that very much.
happytoexplain 3mo ago
This is dishonest (and very common). You may certainly argue that genAI content should count as human-made, but it's pointless to just gesture at pre-genAI tools like autocomplete and insist that other people do the work of comparing/contrasting. It's OK to use the term "human made" to mean "not the output of genAI". There's no "gotcha" to be scored here.
- kbrkbr 3mo ago
  What is dishonest about asking for clarification of submission criteria that are utterly unclear? > Help us to signify and share projects done by humans (not AI). Here is nothing about GenAI specifically. Who else could be asked if not the ones that set up this collection?
  - mrkeen 3mo ago
    I dunno what version of the site you saw, but it probably hasn't changed in the last 17 minutes since your post. There's only one rule: generative AI cannot be used in the creation of the project.
- Cyberdogs7 3mo ago
  Ok, what about a more direct take. Hello games made a game called No Man's Sky which has VERY heavy use of procedural generation. Same as Minecraft. If someone were to make the same games using genAi, would it be less impressive, even if the output was 'better'?
  - baobabKoodaa 3mo ago
    Yes.
  - throawayonthe 3mo ago
    yeah?
  - happytoexplain 3mo ago
    Yes, of course. But even if the answer was no, I don't see the relationship to what I said. I never commented on "impressiveness".
F3nd0 3mo ago
None of these amount to AI making something. Before AI, it’s been humans who put the words on the paper, who put the strokes on the canvas, who put the notes on the sheet. Spell-checking and auto-completion have existed before AI and do not fundamentally change the process. Since this project singles out AI (likely generative AI using machine learning), it seems evident to me that it rules out any involvement which does fundamentally change the process, i.e. what people otherwise do when creating. (Yes, one could argue that e.g. word processing or printing have also fundamentally changed the process, and that is absolutely true, but each of those has changed the process differently than machine learning has, and clearly this website considers the changes made by AI undesirable in some ways, not the changes made by word processing or printing.)
- d3Xt3r 3mo ago
  The question remains. Where do you draw the line? What are the rules? The site only states "There's only one rule: generative AI cannot be used in the creation of the project.", without defining any further rules, nor does it clarify the exact definition of "creation of the project". Like, what if you included a library in your project that was vibe-coded (but your main code wasn't), would your project be considered as "human-made"?
  - F3nd0 3mo ago
    > The question remains. Where do you draw the line? What are the rules? These questions absolutely remain, but their scope is not nearly as wide as some people here make it out to be. Of course, narrowing it down further might be nice.
  - g-b-r 3mo ago
    > Like, what if you included a library in your project that was vibe-coded (but your main code wasn't), would your project be considered as "human-made"? Of course not.
    - d3Xt3r 3mo ago
      What if the library was human-made, but that library included a library that was vibe-coded? If that's not okay, what if the library included a library which included a library that was vibe-coded?
leephillips 3mo ago
I made some rules: https://lee-phillips.org/humanmade/ https://lee-phillips.org/humanmade/ I think I draw the line at a place that makes sense. (And mine was first, but I don’t care, as long as the movement takes off.)
throawayonthe 3mo ago
what are the rules for hand-made? is it okay to use blades? are tables accepted? what if i used a digitized text to learn my craft come on
keernan 3mo ago
What if I use a hammer.

What are the rules? Is it okay to use autocomplete? Are spell checkers accepted? What if I used an AI chatbot to figure out something instead of a traditional search engine?

jrflo 3mo ago

Is it ok if I used a compiler and didn't write the assembly code by hand?

vjvjvjvjghv 3mo ago
Nope. You also can't use a CPU made by big ASML machines. If you decide to go with a mechanical computer I am not sure if a lathe is ok.
- baobabKoodaa 3mo ago
  You start from a rock and build your own CPU.
happytoexplain 3mo ago
It's hard to tell if you're mocking the parent's fallacy or contributing to it.
- pan69 3mo ago
  I suppose the argument being made is more about the meaning of human made rather than GenAI.
baobabKoodaa 3mo ago
You're implying compilers now utilize generative AI somehow? I doubt that very much.

happytoexplain 3mo ago

This is dishonest (and very common). You may certainly argue that genAI content should count as human-made, but it's pointless to just gesture at pre-genAI tools like autocomplete and insist that other people do the work of comparing/contrasting. It's OK to use the term "human made" to mean "not the output of genAI". There's no "gotcha" to be scored here.

kbrkbr 3mo ago
What is dishonest about asking for clarification of submission criteria that are utterly unclear? > Help us to signify and share projects done by humans (not AI). Here is nothing about GenAI specifically. Who else could be asked if not the ones that set up this collection?
- mrkeen 3mo ago
  I dunno what version of the site you saw, but it probably hasn't changed in the last 17 minutes since your post. There's only one rule: generative AI cannot be used in the creation of the project.
Cyberdogs7 3mo ago
Ok, what about a more direct take. Hello games made a game called No Man's Sky which has VERY heavy use of procedural generation. Same as Minecraft. If someone were to make the same games using genAi, would it be less impressive, even if the output was 'better'?
- baobabKoodaa 3mo ago
  Yes.
- throawayonthe 3mo ago
  yeah?
- happytoexplain 3mo ago
  Yes, of course. But even if the answer was no, I don't see the relationship to what I said. I never commented on "impressiveness".

F3nd0 3mo ago

None of these amount to AI making something. Before AI, it’s been humans who put the words on the paper, who put the strokes on the canvas, who put the notes on the sheet. Spell-checking and auto-completion have existed before AI and do not fundamentally change the process. Since this project singles out AI (likely generative AI using machine learning), it seems evident to me that it rules out any involvement which does fundamentally change the process, i.e. what people otherwise do when creating. (Yes, one could argue that e.g. word processing or printing have also fundamentally changed the process, and that is absolutely true, but each of those has changed the process differently than machine learning has, and clearly this website considers the changes made by AI undesirable in some ways, not the changes made by word processing or printing.)

d3Xt3r 3mo ago
The question remains. Where do you draw the line? What are the rules? The site only states "There's only one rule: generative AI cannot be used in the creation of the project.", without defining any further rules, nor does it clarify the exact definition of "creation of the project". Like, what if you included a library in your project that was vibe-coded (but your main code wasn't), would your project be considered as "human-made"?
- F3nd0 3mo ago
  > The question remains. Where do you draw the line? What are the rules? These questions absolutely remain, but their scope is not nearly as wide as some people here make it out to be. Of course, narrowing it down further might be nice.
- g-b-r 3mo ago
  > Like, what if you included a library in your project that was vibe-coded (but your main code wasn't), would your project be considered as "human-made"? Of course not.
  - d3Xt3r 3mo ago
    What if the library was human-made, but that library included a library that was vibe-coded? If that's not okay, what if the library included a library which included a library that was vibe-coded?

leephillips 3mo ago

I made some rules: https://lee-phillips.org/humanmade/ https://lee-phillips.org/humanmade/ I think I draw the line at a place that makes sense. (And mine was first, but I don’t care, as long as the movement takes off.)

throawayonthe 3mo ago

what are the rules for hand-made? is it okay to use blades? are tables accepted? what if i used a digitized text to learn my craft come on

keernan 3mo ago

What if I use a hammer.