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I LOL'ed. Saab doesn't have any expertise to build modern aircraft.

by slaw 4mo ago

rbanffy 4mo ago
An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down. And, as we have seen with cheap drones, all that money spent on making great stealth aircraft has not stopped Iran from blocking access to 20% of the world’s supply of crude. So, how effective are your fifth generation fighters based on your nuclear carriers again?
- slaw 4mo ago
  > An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down. Frontal RCS of the Gripen C/D between 0.1 m2 and 1.5 m2 Frontal Radar Cross-Section (RCS) of the F-35 roughly between 0.001 m2 and 0.005 m2 Gripen is an old airframe useless in modern combat. It will be shot down from far away.
  - rbanffy 4mo ago
    > It will be shot down from far away. By what exactly? The military don’t exist in a vacuum - and the equipment they need varies with mission requirements. That’s why the A-10s had its life extended: because it is a better fit than the F-35 for ground support missions. Same applies to the B-52 and the B-2. The operational cost of the F-22 and F-35 alone make them a poor fit unless you are engaging highly sophisticated air defenses, something the US haven’t done since WWII. The requirement to be able to neutralise American aircraft is a new one for European (and Canadian) air forces, but one that’ll be tackled.
    - UltraSane 4mo ago
      By what exactly? By F35s and F22s and F47s
      - rbanffy 4mo ago
        Sadly, we can’t really trust American fighters to fight, say, an American invasion of Greenland.
- tw1984 4mo ago
  > An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down. not on its own, but by having a combined AEW&C and high performance ultra long range air to air missiles. Europoor just doesn't have any of these. > all that money spent on making great stealth aircraft has not stopped Iran from blocking access to 20% of the world’s supply of crude. that doesn't change the fact that Europoor doesn't have anything. Does Europoor has such drones? or the ability to knock them out of the sky at costs lower than drone production? to get your some further idea on the gap - Shahed 136 is estimated to cost Iran $20-50k USD each, Chinese manufacturers are quoting less than $1k USD each including fuel. > how effective are your fifth generation fighters based on your nuclear carriers again? you don't have to pick which one is more effective when you can build and operate both at large scale. a few carrier strike groups fitted with fifth gen fighters and drone carrier-amphibious assault ships are a pretty good combination. feel free to google Type-076 drone carrier-amphibious assault ships. again - Europoor doesn't have any of these, so please stop pretending to be "advanced economy", you are no longer one.
  - rbanffy 4mo ago
    > you don't have to pick which one is more effective when you can build and operate both at large scale. a few carrier strike groups fitted with fifth gen fighters and drone carrier-amphibious assault ships are a pretty good combination Have you invaded Iran already? What’s stopping you? Didn’t Trump mention something like annihilating the current regime? Is it working?
    - tw1984 3mo ago
      > Have you invaded Iran already? What’s stopping you? Didn’t Trump mention something like annihilating the current regime? Is it working? I am Chinese, why should Chinese be invading Iran? Please just stop pretending to be an "advanced economy", scientifically, economically and militarily, Europoor is the modern textbook definition of failed states.

I LOL'ed. Saab doesn't have any expertise to build modern aircraft.

by slaw 4mo ago

I LOL'ed. Saab doesn't have any expertise to build modern aircraft.

An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down. And, as we have seen with cheap drones, all that money spent on making great stealth aircraft has not stopped Iran from blocking access to 20% of the world’s supply of crude. So, how effective are your fifth generation fighters based on your nuclear carriers again?

slaw 4mo ago
> An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down. Frontal RCS of the Gripen C/D between 0.1 m2 and 1.5 m2 Frontal Radar Cross-Section (RCS) of the F-35 roughly between 0.001 m2 and 0.005 m2 Gripen is an old airframe useless in modern combat. It will be shot down from far away.
- rbanffy 4mo ago
  > It will be shot down from far away. By what exactly? The military don’t exist in a vacuum - and the equipment they need varies with mission requirements. That’s why the A-10s had its life extended: because it is a better fit than the F-35 for ground support missions. Same applies to the B-52 and the B-2. The operational cost of the F-22 and F-35 alone make them a poor fit unless you are engaging highly sophisticated air defenses, something the US haven’t done since WWII. The requirement to be able to neutralise American aircraft is a new one for European (and Canadian) air forces, but one that’ll be tackled.
  - UltraSane 4mo ago
    By what exactly? By F35s and F22s and F47s
    - rbanffy 4mo ago
      Sadly, we can’t really trust American fighters to fight, say, an American invasion of Greenland.
tw1984 4mo ago
> An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down. not on its own, but by having a combined AEW&C and high performance ultra long range air to air missiles. Europoor just doesn't have any of these. > all that money spent on making great stealth aircraft has not stopped Iran from blocking access to 20% of the world’s supply of crude. that doesn't change the fact that Europoor doesn't have anything. Does Europoor has such drones? or the ability to knock them out of the sky at costs lower than drone production? to get your some further idea on the gap - Shahed 136 is estimated to cost Iran $20-50k USD each, Chinese manufacturers are quoting less than $1k USD each including fuel. > how effective are your fifth generation fighters based on your nuclear carriers again? you don't have to pick which one is more effective when you can build and operate both at large scale. a few carrier strike groups fitted with fifth gen fighters and drone carrier-amphibious assault ships are a pretty good combination. feel free to google Type-076 drone carrier-amphibious assault ships. again - Europoor doesn't have any of these, so please stop pretending to be "advanced economy", you are no longer one.
- rbanffy 4mo ago
  > you don't have to pick which one is more effective when you can build and operate both at large scale. a few carrier strike groups fitted with fifth gen fighters and drone carrier-amphibious assault ships are a pretty good combination Have you invaded Iran already? What’s stopping you? Didn’t Trump mention something like annihilating the current regime? Is it working?
  - tw1984 3mo ago
    > Have you invaded Iran already? What’s stopping you? Didn’t Trump mention something like annihilating the current regime? Is it working? I am Chinese, why should Chinese be invading Iran? Please just stop pretending to be an "advanced economy", scientifically, economically and militarily, Europoor is the modern textbook definition of failed states.