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I think there will be a market for firms that aggressively market themselves as non-AI, and then as more people turn towards that human connection we'll go full

I think there will be a market for firms that aggressively market themselves as non-AI, and then as more people turn towards that human connection we'll go full circle

rayiner 4mo ago
Nobody wants to pay their lawyers more than they have to. There will be a huge market for firms that can use AI to avoid charging clients for $1,000/hour junior associates.
citizenpaul 4mo ago
If you want human connection the legal system is not where you are going to find it, period. I don't think there will be any such market for "non ai" law. If I'm involved with the legal system I just want out as quick as possible as cheap as possible.
- applfanboysbgon 4mo ago
  Bad legal advice will keep you dealing with the legal system for much longer and at much greater cost. Something being cheap and quick upfront doesn't mean it will be cheap and quick by the end of the process.
  - Esophagus4 4mo ago
    But isn’t this study saying that the legal advice could actually be better with AI? A bit of extrapolation from the study, but not a crazy stretch.
    - applfanboysbgon 4mo ago
      Maybe, although I would be extremely hesitant to extrapolate from this one study and trust my legal life to an LLM. One thing that's worth noting, though, is that regardless of the quality of objective legal advice in the abstract, for a lot of smaller scale stuff the human connection actually is literally what is important. There are ambiguities in the law, which are not resolved deterministically but rather at the individual discretion of judges. Your lawyer, if they're any good at their job, knows the local judges and how they're likely to rule for given circumstances, which can influence their legal advice to you specifically.
      - Esophagus4 4mo ago
        Fair. But I could also see a world where that, too, is fed to models for hyper-local results. Could be a way off, but I could see it.
  - zuzululu 4mo ago
    I think you are ignoring that there are bad lawyers and they give bad legal advice too Even the good ones will not step above and beyond what they are paid to do but an AI ? it will and can go above and beyond
  - citizenpaul 4mo ago
    IANAL. The legals system is structurally based around manipulating text and its relations. It seems to me that the entire legal industry is the ideal use case for LLM's to take over. Of course the legal system can gatekeep forever by design.
zuzululu 4mo ago
that worked out for artists and translators right ?

I think there will be a market for firms that aggressively market themselves as non-AI, and then as more people turn towards that human connection we'll go full circle

rayiner 4mo ago

Nobody wants to pay their lawyers more than they have to. There will be a huge market for firms that can use AI to avoid charging clients for $1,000/hour junior associates.

citizenpaul 4mo ago

If you want human connection the legal system is not where you are going to find it, period. I don't think there will be any such market for "non ai" law. If I'm involved with the legal system I just want out as quick as possible as cheap as possible.

applfanboysbgon 4mo ago
Bad legal advice will keep you dealing with the legal system for much longer and at much greater cost. Something being cheap and quick upfront doesn't mean it will be cheap and quick by the end of the process.
- Esophagus4 4mo ago
  But isn’t this study saying that the legal advice could actually be better with AI? A bit of extrapolation from the study, but not a crazy stretch.
  - applfanboysbgon 4mo ago
    Maybe, although I would be extremely hesitant to extrapolate from this one study and trust my legal life to an LLM. One thing that's worth noting, though, is that regardless of the quality of objective legal advice in the abstract, for a lot of smaller scale stuff the human connection actually is literally what is important. There are ambiguities in the law, which are not resolved deterministically but rather at the individual discretion of judges. Your lawyer, if they're any good at their job, knows the local judges and how they're likely to rule for given circumstances, which can influence their legal advice to you specifically.
    - Esophagus4 4mo ago
      Fair. But I could also see a world where that, too, is fed to models for hyper-local results. Could be a way off, but I could see it.
- zuzululu 4mo ago
  I think you are ignoring that there are bad lawyers and they give bad legal advice too Even the good ones will not step above and beyond what they are paid to do but an AI ? it will and can go above and beyond
- citizenpaul 4mo ago
  IANAL. The legals system is structurally based around manipulating text and its relations. It seems to me that the entire legal industry is the ideal use case for LLM's to take over. Of course the legal system can gatekeep forever by design.

zuzululu 4mo ago

that worked out for artists and translators right ?