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Responsive design out of the box? Were you actually there? Back in 2000 you could make a career out of scripting browser polyfills or "DHTML".

by cutler 4mo ago

parkersweb 4mo ago
Quite. Or differences in the box-model, appending weird symbols to CSS to target specific browsers, adding zoom:1, praying you didn’t have to support IE6….
singpolyma3 4mo ago
That doesn't seem relevant to responsive design? HTML and CSS are definitely responsive out of the box, but OTOH I remember how many designers of that era thought responsiveness was a bug and asked devs to add width:920px to body...
- cutler 4mo ago
  CSS, especially the box model, was not consistent across browsers.
  - singpolyma3 4mo ago
    True. Does not prevent the design from being responsive. Even with no CSS at all a design is responsive unless you specifically choose to break that
    - codethief 4mo ago
      Right but how would you even display a vertical menu back then? `float: left` was rather bad, so you went back to using tables[0]. Good luck making these responsive. [0]: and to using dozens of images sliced to fit your table cells, for that cool hover effect as well as round corners. :-)
      - joquarky 4mo ago
        Why would documents have menus? Menus are for applications. And there was nothing wrong with tables for layout, especially back then when the alternatives were very brittle.
        codethief 4mo ago
        > Why would documents have menus? Menus are for applications. s/menu/navigation > And there was nothing wrong with tables for layout, especially back then when the alternatives were very brittle. I never said there was anything wrong with tables. OP said there was nothing preventing the design from being responsive, to which I responded yes, there was, at least in a lot of cases. (Responsiveness was also mostly irrelevant back then because smartphones were not a thing yet.)
pibaker 4mo ago
The idea that 00s websites were responsive is laughable. Websites used to tell you they are designed for resolutions 1024x768 and above, because they hardcoded the size and position and everything and the moment you sizes your browser window down a horizontal scroll bar appears, or worse. Say what you want about modern web practices but responsibility is only getting better, not worse.

Responsive design out of the box? Were you actually there? Back in 2000 you could make a career out of scripting browser polyfills or "DHTML".

by cutler 4mo ago

Responsive design out of the box? Were you actually there? Back in 2000 you could make a career out of scripting browser polyfills or "DHTML".

parkersweb 4mo ago

Quite. Or differences in the box-model, appending weird symbols to CSS to target specific browsers, adding zoom:1, praying you didn’t have to support IE6….

singpolyma3 4mo ago

That doesn't seem relevant to responsive design? HTML and CSS are definitely responsive out of the box, but OTOH I remember how many designers of that era thought responsiveness was a bug and asked devs to add width:920px to body...

cutler 4mo ago
CSS, especially the box model, was not consistent across browsers.
- singpolyma3 4mo ago
  True. Does not prevent the design from being responsive. Even with no CSS at all a design is responsive unless you specifically choose to break that
  - codethief 4mo ago
    Right but how would you even display a vertical menu back then? `float: left` was rather bad, so you went back to using tables[0]. Good luck making these responsive. [0]: and to using dozens of images sliced to fit your table cells, for that cool hover effect as well as round corners. :-)
    - joquarky 4mo ago
      Why would documents have menus? Menus are for applications. And there was nothing wrong with tables for layout, especially back then when the alternatives were very brittle.
      - codethief 4mo ago
        > Why would documents have menus? Menus are for applications. s/menu/navigation > And there was nothing wrong with tables for layout, especially back then when the alternatives were very brittle. I never said there was anything wrong with tables. OP said there was nothing preventing the design from being responsive, to which I responded yes, there was, at least in a lot of cases. (Responsiveness was also mostly irrelevant back then because smartphones were not a thing yet.)

pibaker 4mo ago

The idea that 00s websites were responsive is laughable. Websites used to tell you they are designed for resolutions 1024x768 and above, because they hardcoded the size and position and everything and the moment you sizes your browser window down a horizontal scroll bar appears, or worse. Say what you want about modern web practices but responsibility is only getting better, not worse.