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I believe you’re confusing access with outcomes. Giving people access to markets isn’t exploitation afaic. If you’d like to make dubious trades that’s your pre

I believe you’re confusing access with outcomes. Giving people access to markets isn’t exploitation afaic. If you’d like to make dubious trades that’s your prerogative and who am I to stop you.

demorro 4mo ago
You are a member of society. Society stops people doing harmful things to themselves all the time.
- nine_k 4mo ago
  This should be limited to giving advice (education, warning, explicit consent), unless there's harm to third parties. Because, you know, certain actions and even thoughts can lead to eternal damnation in Hell, according to what a society may think. Would you prefer the society to hold you off from that?
  - adithyassekhar 4mo ago
    People claim this all the time to win internet arguments but the truth is we all have a moral code. If you see a child playing with a loaded gun, you won’t stop it?
    - nine_k 4mo ago
      A child is not a fully autonomous person. I would of course take the loaded gun from the child, unload it, and explain its dangers to the child. Money, in any form, may be as dangerous as a loaded gun, trading stocks or not. Most adults are careful with money, as they are with loaded guns. The problem is that some parties may try to make trading stocks (even leveraged) look much easier and safer than it is. It's like giving somebody a real loaded gun, while making it look like a toy gun, safe even for a child. And this of course needs to be regulated: not the trading, but the disclosure. This is not a toy.
      - demorro 4mo ago
        Who are you to decide that a child is not a fully autonomous person? Sounds like you're imposing a normative rule based on societally derived presuppositions of right and wrong, which is exactly the point. We're just haggling over where the line should be drawn and you think it should be drawn somewhere further back than others do, but there's no truth to be found here.
  - yladiz 4mo ago
    Harm to others includes cost to society in general.
iAMkenough 4mo ago
I have access to a car and bottle of bourbon, but there are laws that restrict me from drinking and driving.
- bdangubic 4mo ago
  they don't restrict you, you can always drink and drive. you may or may not, depending on your luck, suffer the legal consequences of your actions.
  - iAMkenough 4mo ago
    tell that to the cops that’ll pull you over. ignition interlock device market continues to grow, as some states are attempting to require them in all new cars.

demorro 4mo ago

You are a member of society. Society stops people doing harmful things to themselves all the time.

nine_k 4mo ago
This should be limited to giving advice (education, warning, explicit consent), unless there's harm to third parties. Because, you know, certain actions and even thoughts can lead to eternal damnation in Hell, according to what a society may think. Would you prefer the society to hold you off from that?
- adithyassekhar 4mo ago
  People claim this all the time to win internet arguments but the truth is we all have a moral code. If you see a child playing with a loaded gun, you won’t stop it?
  - nine_k 4mo ago
    A child is not a fully autonomous person. I would of course take the loaded gun from the child, unload it, and explain its dangers to the child. Money, in any form, may be as dangerous as a loaded gun, trading stocks or not. Most adults are careful with money, as they are with loaded guns. The problem is that some parties may try to make trading stocks (even leveraged) look much easier and safer than it is. It's like giving somebody a real loaded gun, while making it look like a toy gun, safe even for a child. And this of course needs to be regulated: not the trading, but the disclosure. This is not a toy.
    - demorro 4mo ago
      Who are you to decide that a child is not a fully autonomous person? Sounds like you're imposing a normative rule based on societally derived presuppositions of right and wrong, which is exactly the point. We're just haggling over where the line should be drawn and you think it should be drawn somewhere further back than others do, but there's no truth to be found here.
- yladiz 4mo ago
  Harm to others includes cost to society in general.

iAMkenough 4mo ago

I have access to a car and bottle of bourbon, but there are laws that restrict me from drinking and driving.

bdangubic 4mo ago
they don't restrict you, you can always drink and drive. you may or may not, depending on your luck, suffer the legal consequences of your actions.
- iAMkenough 4mo ago
  tell that to the cops that’ll pull you over. ignition interlock device market continues to grow, as some states are attempting to require them in all new cars.